Jamesf1

Im having a slow work day. p.s. feel free to join in.

And im on record further back as agreeing on RWD - that conceptually is a let down, but, Im reserving judgement on how big a deal it is for me until ive driven one.

The majority of this entire thread is people arguing, and its far from just us two. Besides, i felt like I was debating with Linus. He has his view I have mine.

Answer to all is - NO... and that is not opinion. but wether it matters is. If you dont want leather, RTCA and BSM or a 450h or bothered by rwd the subjectively the ES is not inferior, and even if you do, other elements may make the ES, subjectively for an given individual, better. Your comparing these vehicles on paper only. and GS cant be specced in 4wd anyway so ?

Do we really need to clarify definition of what "opinion" or the "fact" means. yes we do, as long as you try and pass your opinion as fact

Because that is where it sits to this day... It is inferiour model to GS - just a fact. actually it’s an opinion. From a non GS owner who hasn’t even seen an ES let alone sat or driven one.

Ok... so it is second only to CT to get this terrible fake leather upholstery nope NX and IS have it also

I’ll give you a reason - BMW not a patch on Lexus quality or reliability. As for a VW ha ha ha even worse.

Where do you get this drivel the “Much vaunted price reduction” was totally unsubstantiated speculation from some individuals based on the previous Es sitting between the is and Gs in non uk markets. I bet it'll ride just as poorly as the GS on its stupid big wheels and have worse road noise as well, because they'll have cut the sound deadening to save costs. can you substantiate these claims? also Trying to defend this is simply blind and futile attempt. like your attempts to convince us that hybrids are rubbish and the new Es is rubbish and everything other than an 08 is250 is rubbish And besides Some don’t want leather for various reasons. feel, smell, moral or ethical

My GS rides very well.

Linus you really have no idea. Electric motors are 100% torque instantly. So yes upto 20-30 they are quick. A Nissan Leaf for example will do 0-30 like little else it really shifts and why bother about Es pricing and specs your not going to buy one

This info if from Lexus uk blog

GRADE OPTION PRICE ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT Lexus ES Premium Pack £3,500 Smooth leather seat upholstery, front seat ventilation, power rear screen sunshade, triple-LED multi-weather headlights with Adaptive High-beam System, 18-inch alloys, Blind Spot Monitor, Rear Cross Traffic Alert with automatic braking Lexus ES F Sport Tech and Safety Pack £700 Triple-LED multi-weather headlights with Adaptive High-beam System, wireless device charger, heated steering wheel Lexus ES F Sport Takumi Pack £4,000 All elements of Tech and Safety Pack plus: Mark Levinson surround sound audio, head-up display, Lexus Premium Navigation with 12.3-inch screen, power rear screen sunshade, power boot lid with hands-free kick sensor All grades Metallic paint £670 All grades Premium metallic paint £920 Sonic White, Sonic Titanium and Azure Blue finishes

GRADE ON-THE-ROAD PRICE CORE EQUIPMENT FEATURES Lexus ES £35,150 Second-generation Lexus Safety System+, 17-inch alloy wheels, Lexus Navigation with eight-inch central display, DAB, parking sensors, heated and power-adjustable front seats, sunroof, Tahara upholstery Lexus ES F Sport £38,150 F Sport interior and exterior styling details, 19-inch alloys, F Sport seats, adaptive sports suspension Lexus ES Takumi £45,650 Power boot lid with hands-free kick sensor, heated and power-reclining rear seats, 12.3-inch display, Mark Levinson premium surround sound audio, 360-degree camera, triple-zone air conditioning, triple-eye LED multi-weather headlights with Adaptive High-beam System and Adaptive Front-lighting System

No because we are getting only the hybrid, which would be my choice anyway

Wow even more impressed! I’m lucky to get 350 from a tank full. I dry smoothly with the occaisional heavy right foot, but my work commute is very stop start urban which does the consumption no favours. This is why I’m considering an IS 300h, I think most of my mileage would play to its strengths

As a fellow GS250 driver I salute you sir. On a long mway run I’ve never bettered 42. My average is 29 without much motorway running. Do you run in eco mode all the time? What fuel do you use?

so what real world range does this equate to for a full tank? Theoretically should be pushing 600?

Also many other drivers just jealous because they can’t do what BMW/AUDI drivers can as they are scared to do it or in most cases their car won’t let them, well, just my opinion That’s the bmw Audi arrogance right there. I for one am annoyed, not jealous because some of their driving is downright dangerous to other road users including me and my kids. Others don’t do what they do because they are good drivers not arrogant ignorant or selfish in their driving

This thread is going to run so long it will cover discussion of the ES’s replacement😀 anyway, Audi’s worse than BM for bad driving imho

Ah well, nice while it lasted

I second that what a great post by Martin

Personal preference I guess, after trying it out I hardly ever use m mode, Only where I’m waiting for an overtake opportunity on say an hgv and want to start the manoeuvre in a lower gear for instant pick up. As for hunting for gears it may do a little but so smooth I don’t really notice

Yeah gear hunting would annoy me too, no problem in either is or Gs 250. I didn’t realise 200t was an eight speed box

Furthermore, it is about thing which are unpredictable e.g. maybe I start overtaking with pedal half way depressed and gearbox changes to 5th, but mid way overtaking I will realise I won't fir in the gap and therefore I will floor it... then gearbox will have to change again to 3rd mid way in overtaking. Same with a manual though... but to my mind this is autos in general. I’m aware in this scenario I’m changing gear with throttle input unless I drop into manual and of course in this scenario you should pick your overtakes better....