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Hi everyone

Been looking through my service book and the last 5 stamps have been by a company called 'Bargoynes' service and maintenance, Toyota and Lexus Specialists. There is no telephone number or address. The seller seemed genuine (private sale) and was selling the car for his brother who has emigrated (hmmmm) anyhoo, he said that this was a local garage that his brother went to all the time in St Andrews where his brother lived ( car was in Alloa near Fife.

Does anyone in scotland (or anywhere) know this garage as I cant seem to track it down and getting worried that all is not good?

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Don't think you need to worry Burgoynes are a genuine garage based in Falkirk area. WHen my wife's last civic had a blow out on the M80, she called the AA (No spare tyre, just a can of air) they sent Burgoynes (or however it's spelt) with a low-loader to take it home.

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Hi djanderso, Yes I seen them when I done a google search, the problem is they are Burgoynes but my stamp says Bargoynes so either they made a spelling error on their stamp spanning 5 years or they are a different company or as suspected they don't exist. It Maybe that they have legitimately folded with the way things are but cant seem to find them anywhere. Apparently he lived in St Andrews

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I stay about 15 miles from St Andrews and have owned toyotas /lexus for a lot of years and am pretty sure I would have heard of them if they claim to be toyota lexus specialists - and have never heard of them sorry mate.

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Hi djanderso, Yes I seen them when I done a google search, the problem is they are Burgoynes but my stamp says Bargoynes so either they made a spelling error on their stamp spanning 5 years or they are a different company or as suspected they don't exist. It Maybe that they have legitimately folded with the way things are but cant seem to find them anywhere. Apparently he lived in St Andrews

Ahh, right, sorry... does sound fishy.

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I wonder what to do next as he is claiming FSH albeit non franchised. surely misold but i do like the car and would have had affect on price I would have paid

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If it was a private sale I doubt you will have any real legal comeback - sold as seen buyer beware and all that. If he seemed reasonable and genuine go back to him and ask for some cash back - unless he can prove garage does exist and maybe threaten to go to trading standards/police etc and he might wobble a bit.

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Not sure what rights you've got as a private buyer - not sure it's something Trading Standards would get involved in. I suppose it is fraud, so may interest the police.

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I agree Trading standards will not be interested but maybe just the threat may be enough if the seller doesnt know his legal rights etc

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Im going to get the car looked at this week for a pre MOT so see how that goes and then think i'll give him a phone and see what happens I cant loose anything by doing so eh?

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cheers for response guys, much appreciated ;)

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No probs - Nothing to lose by giving him a call and see what his attitude is. I would also check the MOT history on line and see if the mileages at services match up . http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/Mot/DG_10020539

Get garage doing pre mot to give it a good check over and hopefully all goes well

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I cant loose anything by doing so eh?

Apart from a couple of knee caps, arms, and legs if he turns out to be a real dodgy character :lol:

Seriously though, it's hassle you can probably do without so hopefully nothing will show up and it turns out to be all ok.

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have you looked through the online mot history? i know it wont tell you aboutthe company but would be good to see if it lost a few thousand miles at any time?

it goes back to 2005/6

http://motinfo.direct.gov.uk/internet/jsp/ECHID-Internet-History-Request.jsp

mine lost 60,000 in 1 year (... i wonder how!) scaming c**s thought it was high enough at 130,000 miles :-(

hope it helps anyways mate

shan

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cHEERS DANDYDONS oops caps lock, checked that out and all MOT's seem correct on that front, last few years MOT's all Dundee. and seem not too bad eiter usual things like tyre wear, windscreen damage and the odd track rod end and thats it.

I never new that service was available really interesting.

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Cheers shan just done that, very interesting reading.

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Cheers shan just done that, very interesting reading.

Hopefully the car is legitimate. I would suggest however that the following points might be well worth checking out.

1/ Does the address on the V5 tally with St Andrews as claimed?

2/ Does the name match the sellers name? (brothers?)

3/ Can you not contact the person named on the V5?

4/ Is the V5 the new type red fronted V5? (they are replacing ALL V5's because of the theft of a load of blank V5's)

5/ Is it HPI clear? {checked by you not by the seller)

6/ Does the seller live where the car was?

7/ Is VIN correct and also in the correct place?

8/ Is there any sign that he is selling other cars?

If he is selling cars from a house posing as a private seller but is in fact a dealer Trading Standards would be interested I can assure you.

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Out of interest, what car is it? Just asking since the same posting from you is on the Skoda Owners site?

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Cheers shan just done that, very interesting reading.

Hopefully the car is legitimate. I would suggest however that the following points might be well worth checking out.

1/ Does the address on the V5 tally with St Andrews as claimed? YES

2/ Does the name match the sellers name? (brothers?)YES but could have just signed the same surname

3/ Can you not contact the person named on the V5? NOT SURE have the address thats all

4/ Is the V5 the new type red fronted V5? (they are replacing ALL V5's because of the theft of a load of blank V5's)IT IS NOW, The one at point of sale was the old type.

5/ Is it HPI clear? {checked by you not by the seller) YEs done a car check on it before buying

6/ Does the seller live where the car was? NO Car was in Clackmannen Owner in St Andrews

7/ Is VIN correct and also in the correct place? Seems to be

8/ Is there any sign that he is selling other cars? Trying search the same area and selling media (Gumtree/adtrader etc)

If he is selling cars from a house posing as a private seller but is in fact a dealer Trading Standards would be interested I can assure you.

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Out of interest, what car is it? Just asking since the same posting from you is on the Skoda Owners site?

Yeh Busted Dave :crybaby: , the car is a SKODA. :unsure: I'm asking here as the stamp stated that it was a Lexus and Toyota specialist so thought you guys would know if anybody would. :whistling:

I take it you have a Skoda aswell as a lexus?

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Out of interest, what car is it? Just asking since the same posting from you is on the Skoda Owners site?

Yeh Busted Dave :crybaby: , the car is a SKODA. :unsure: I'm asking here as the stamp stated that it was a Lexus and Toyota specialist so thought you guys would know if anybody would. :whistling:

I take it you have a Skoda aswell as a lexus?

No, wife has Hyundai i30! Nothing wrong with Skoda though. It was a good idea to check on here. Hope you sort it.

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how did the pre mot go mate?

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