Transmission Fluid Flush + Refill

[lexusdaduk]

Morning all is it the same format for a Lexus as a Merc Auto, Flush box, torque converter , clean off magnets, change filter, refill,

or do we get the "box is sealed for life" speech from the service manager because it's a bitch of a job.

so if it's do able how much are we looking at main dealer done ls430 2002 77K, ball park figures ok.

Regards Mark

[lexusdaduk]

Strike the above just found the service data sheet on 14/12/2009 @ 60,000 miles the car had gearbox oil done 80w/90 code is OILG80w, diff oil was done in 2004, dose that need changing,

last service 10/01/2012

Aor Filter

brake pads front

brake fluid

eliment air ref

gskt drain plug

oil filter

timing belt

coolent

oil change.

06/01/2011

inter service

oil filter engine oil

full and intermediate/full services MOT from reg date to now

[ipwn]

Sir, that is a mistake.

OILG80w is a diff oil in Lexus car, it's also a specificed manual gearbox oil.

For your auto transmission oil it should say something like ATF Oil T IV. T IV being your spec and it is NO WAY near the G80w weight. Your transmission is an Aisin A650E which requires T IV oil.

If they have put diff/gearbox oil in your transmission then oh no. I wouldn't know where to begin.

[Jannie]

I agree with sam, phoned main dealer in Reading on monday to order my gearbox oil strainer (filter) and was told by the parts sales person just to wash out my old filter. I was shocked by this and told the person to just listen to my request and just order me a new filter.

To answer your other question there is no recomended auto box oil change interval, and if you do want it done should be no more than £220.00 from main dealer.

[abs66]

If its got the wrong ATF in it needs to come out pronto. Our boxes don't take kindly to the wrong oil. Don't trust the Lexus dealer either they have been known to put dexron in!!!

[ipwn]

Couple of points,

Reusing the old filter is fine as it's a washable strainer, however, a new filter isn't that expensive so you just might aswell get a new one.

With Dexron, DEX IV can be subed for Toyota IV, but I am not 100% sure and you will need to double check. I know Dex 2 and 3 can't be.

Carlube ATF-U is a good cheap alternative to IV. Infact IV is a really easy fluid to get hold of. On the other hand, IV fluid from Toyota isn't expensive anyway.

You can go to the dealer for the service which will be about 250 or you can use an independant specialist. I used to prefer the latter alongside providing my own fluid. However now I just do it myself as it's so easy.

Labour will range from 70-120 for the labour. Then your fluid cost on top.

The advantage of providing the fluid is that you know it's the right stuff!

I advise to avoid doing a machine flush at all costs.

You have a few options.

1. Drain and refill.

2. Drain, drop pan, change filter/clean pan and refill.

3. Drain and refill 3 times.

4. Drain drop pan etc 3 times.

The reason to go 3 times is that you will never get all of the transmission fluid out, about 60% is held in the torque converter, lines etc.

5. Drain, refill etc. Then start draining with the engine running from the ATF cooler hose, then refill, keep doing this until the fluid from the cooler hose goes pink.

There are lots of options. I find the safest is to drop the pan, change the filter refill. Then after 100 miles just to a simple drain and refill. This is the safest and least shocker to your transmission way.

Diff oil is changed every full service I believe.

[lexusdaduk]

Hi all i am well on with this, Lexus have some work to do, i don't want to go into detail as i am managing to keep to the point about the information given to me via the service data sheet, this gave me (or so i thought an informed choice), will update as soon as.

the transmission is a smooth as silk just a little feeling on cold mornings till it warms up,nothing faulty of any nature.

[steve2006]

The tutorial below explains what is involved and the correct fluid to use, there is also another tutorial on the same website explaining fluid flushing as unlike Mercedes there is no Torque Convertor drain on the Aisin transmissions.

http://www.lexls.com/tutorials/transmission/transchange.html

[lexusdaduk]

Hi before i twist Lexus up in Misleading information, and misleading omissions and about information provided for the average consumer to make a informed choice, it does beg the question about information on service data sheets, they have indicated this could be a glitch, to what extent the glitch runs to i don't know yet but will find out.

Regards Mark

[lexusdaduk]

Well good morning, according to Lexus the invoice states gearbox oil checked but not completed, which is the reverse of what it indicates on the service sheet, i have spoke to a legal beagle who says it's Misrepresentation, sale of goods act 1979 the service data sheet lead me to believe the car had a gearbox oil change when in fact it had not, still awaiting a call back from Lexus. this could open up a can or worms for who ever designed the service data sheets as its full of omission, and when it's produced to enable you to see the cars full history which is part of the process for making an informed choice about buying the car.

Regards Mark

[Bluesman]

Well good morning, according to Lexus the invoice states gearbox oil checked but not completed, which is the reverse of what it indicates on the service sheet, i have spoke to a legal beagle who says it's Misrepresentation, sale of goods act 1979 the service data sheet lead me to believe the car had a gearbox oil change when in fact it had not, still awaiting a call back from Lexus. this could open up a can or worms for who ever designed the service data sheets as its full of omission, and when it's produced to enable you to see the cars full history which is part of the process for making an informed choice about buying the car.

Regards Mark

Very interesting. Mike

[ipwn]

Before you get your knob out with all the sales legal malarky.

You need to check a couple of things.

What's the latest information regarding your car from Toyota. Do they now recommend to change the fluid at 100k and merely check at 60k.

Do they recommend to check, if its not dirty or doesn't require changing don't do it.

It is not unknown for Toyota to change these details after a few years.

So just before you go in with full force, you need to double check these details that they do recommend a change at 60k etc.

[abs66]

Lmao ......"knob out" !!!

What a brilliant way to describe a possibly embarrassing moment down at the dealers.

Keeps making me chuckle when I visualise that situation .....hahahaha spluter ....

[Bluesman]

Lmao ......"knob out" !!!

What a brilliant way to describe a possibly embarrassing moment down at the dealers.

Keeps making me chuckle when I visualise that situation .....hahahaha spluter ....

Oh Pete, I saw this and left it for you. I knew you wouldn't let me down. Mike

[Parrot of Doom]

I'm not sure how a dealer could "check" the condition of the car's ATF. Oil degrades with time and use but if it remains roughly the same colour as new oil, the only way to check its condition would be to send it away to be analysed.

Mine is on about 150,000 now and I would put money on the ATF never having been changed, so it's another job on the list. I think I'll drain the system by disconnecting one of the cooler hoses and pumping the fluid into a bucket. Then drop the pan and change the filter.

[ipwn]

Ah there is alot to see from fluid condition.

Red

Red Brown

Dark brown

Milky

etc etc.

[Parrot of Doom]

Yes but we all know how engine oil can look reasonably clean after 15,000 miles, but chemically it's lost much of its lubricant properties.

[lexusdaduk]

Before you get your knob out with all the sales legal malarky.

You need to check a couple of things.

What's the latest information regarding your car from Toyota. Do they now recommend to change the fluid at 100k and merely check at 60k.

Do they recommend to check, if its not dirty or doesn't require changing don't do it.

It is not unknown for Toyota to change these details after a few years.

So just before you go in with full force, you need to double check these details that they do recommend a change at 60k etc.

it's not about them recommending a fluid change at 60k or 100K, it's about toyota/lexus service data sheet misrepresentation, saying they have done something when after further investigation they have not or there interpretation can go one way or another , it was to ambiguous under the sale of goods act for the customer to make an informed choice.

spoke with trading standers as well and they say recommended oil changes are nothing to do with the core complaint.

the Auto is running as smooth as silk, so no problems there it's just i like to know what i am buying into, just like my watches and there provenance i like my cars to have an honest history. especially from a dealer.

knob at the ready.

[Bluesman]

knob at the ready.

Go on Pete finish it, Mike

[lexusdaduk]

I think Pete's knobs already outed,

this is not about recommended changes of oil, this is about a gearbox oil change that was listed on the service data sheet that was not done. recommended or not it is a false claim by Lexus service.

and FWIW they have all ready been down the recommended millage/time/customer driven ATF change waffle and after a 10 min phone call agreed it is misrepresentation.

Knob put back.

underpants on the outside ready for action.

[abs66]

I'm saying nowt here Mike or I will get in trouble for not being serious.

Whether I'm KO or KI is no one's business but mine and if I'm ever in doubt I'll ask she who must be obeyed for my opinion.

[Bluesman]

I'm saying nowt here Mike or I will get in trouble for not being serious.

Whether I'm KO or KI is no one's business but mine and if I'm ever in doubt I'll ask she who must be obeyed for my opinion.

Spoil sp0ort. Still at least you keep a roof over your head. Mike

[steve2006]

This topic is now getting out of hand!

In is on the left,out is on the right!

[ipwn]

The thing is, the receipt didn't say gearbox oil changed.

It said gearbox oil changed - 80w/90 code is OILG80w

This sounds like an honest mistake as that weight can go in the diff. Some confusion between the mechanics and the service manager could easily lead to this. Mechanic says he used 2 litres of 80w. Service looks it up on the pc, comes out as a gearbox oil and types that in.

If they were being dishonest it would have said Gearbox oil changed.

Do you plan on going all American with this, with your rule book, sales acts, service acts, 10,000 sheets of legislation and demand the whole word from them along with a brand spanking new LS460L ( with the gearbox oil changed )?

[Bluesman]

The thing is, the receipt didn't say gearbox oil changed.

It said gearbox oil changed - 80w/90 code is OILG80w

This sounds like an honest mistake as that weight can go in the diff. Some confusion between the mechanics and the service manager could easily lead to this. Mechanic says he used 2 litres of 80w. Service looks it up on the pc, comes out as a gearbox oil and types that in.

If they were being dishonest it would have said Gearbox oil changed.

Do you plan on going all American with this, with your rule book, sales acts, service acts, 10,000 sheets of legislation and demand the whole word from them along with a brand spanking new LS460L ( with the gearbox oil changed )?

There is nothing wrong in questioning any bill if you think it is wrong. Its people who don't bring these things to the attention of whoever issued the invoice in the first place make this country the rip off capital of the world.

Carry on and good luck with it. Mike