To Noz Or Not To Noz

simonskippy · September 9, 2003

Okay, those of you that know the IS200 engine well, do you think that the Pistons, Rods and Gearbox will hold out with the mods below if I add a 75 shot of Noz on there with progressive controller?

Answers Please?

wildrnes · September 9, 2003

no cos they are made from balsa

Zee007 · September 9, 2003

I think they would....

..... for 10 seconds.........

DaveEllen · September 9, 2003

Nope.......

Mark is of the view that 260/270 is about it until you start beefing up the internals.

I'm sure El Maestro (Matt C) will concur

However......would be :tsktsk: ing quick

wildrnes · September 9, 2003

but what a great 10 seconds

then you would have to rip apart the block and replace the piston rings you fried.........

:zee:

simonskippy · September 9, 2003

hmmmmmm

10 seconds of fun, the block should do 300bhp but I have heard mention that the gearbox is good for 350bhp so it could be a big gamble, bearing in mind that I have already ordered the pitons and Rods anyway?

DaveEllen · September 9, 2003

Going climbing then ?

Scorpion · September 9, 2003

Are you mad..........so is'nt 525bhp enough then,or cant you get it?

I dont think it will.....but what do i know?

B) B)

Loz · September 9, 2003

From what I have heard and read, you are begging for trouble when you exceed a real time 300bhp at the crank. I think the Smart money thats looking for 300bhp+ is swaping out the block for a more capable one. probly cheaper to insure to as its less modded...

:zee:

simonskippy · September 10, 2003

I'm not swapping the block out, the whole idea of me modding this car is that I use the stock engine, I still want it to be an IS200 - i'm leaving the engine swap to Mat - that really can't be topped!

DaveEllen · September 10, 2003

IMHO what you are proposing is a step to far..............good luck though !

DaveEllen · September 10, 2003

On a boring subject (insurance) get some quotes.............As soon as I mentioned NOS they ran a mile................took 15 calls before I found someone (double the cost of the s/c)

Loz · September 10, 2003

Dave,

there comes a point when you have to think about a trade policy... ;)

:zee:

ColinBarber · September 10, 2003

What do you tell insurance companies about Turbos and NOS? Do you just say I have NOS or give them the performance increase, which you can easily change at any time?

DaveEllen · September 10, 2003

With NOS they asked what size nozzles I had the bigger the nozzle the bigger the premium.......they also ask for BHP

Loz · September 10, 2003

With NOS they asked what size nozzles I had the bigger the nozzle the bigger the premium.......they also ask for BHP

Obviously one has 10bhp Jets in the system and in the event of an Accident I am sure that is exactly what the asessor would find. :P

Hear is a good question:

How would and Insurance Assessor even know what a 10, 25, 92 bhp jet looked like? its different for each car. 2 IS 200's could be getting 25bhp from different fuel and Noz jets completely!

TDI, Tell me if I am wrong!

Loz

ColinBarber · September 10, 2003

Same thing if you have a boost controller. You may have your boost at 15psi but you can easily change it down to 12psi or have two different profiles, high and low, and say you never use the high profile, that's just how it came!

DaveEllen · September 10, 2003

Just hope I never need to go down that road.............

The insurance co I'm with will replace all my Mod stuff with new if damaged which was a good feature.........

Loz · September 10, 2003

Just hope I never need to go down that road.............
The insurance co I'm with will replace all my Mod stuff with new if damaged which was a good feature.........

if you have an underbonnet fire are you still covered? Did you have to fit a fire extinguisher and sign a statement to say you would only use the car wearing a fully Approved flame retardant Suit?

Or maybe they made an exception in my case...

tdiplc · September 10, 2003

TDI, Tell me if I am wrong!
Loz

You're not wrong Loz but there is a general rule of thumb for the nitrous nozzle, which says the size of the nozzle is 100% of the expected power increase ie a 50hp increase would need a 100 nozzle, but this is not always the case as you will not get a 50hp increase if you have a restrictive exhaust etc etc. The fuel calibration varies dramaticaly for each car, but again the rule thumb suggests that is should 50% of the nitrous nozzle.

The sizes of the nozzles are stamped on them.

tdiplc · September 10, 2003

Simon,

My view is that the engine will comfortably take a 50hp shot.

As you are coming over on Saturday, why not try to hook up with Dave Ellen (who is coming over) and take a look at his installation. You may even be able to sweet talk him into a ride

DaveEllen · September 10, 2003

Just hope I never need to go down that road.............
The insurance co I'm with will replace all my Mod stuff with new if damaged which was a good feature.........

if you have an underbonnet fire are you still covered? Did you have to fit a fire extinguisher and sign a statement to say you would only use the car wearing a fully Approved flame retardant Suit?

Or maybe they made an exception in my case...

Nothing like that.....................

I always wear Nomex though....................

DaveEllen · September 10, 2003

or was that Durex

Loz · September 10, 2003

TDI, Tell me if I am wrong!

Loz

You're not wrong Loz but there is a general rule of thumb for the nitrous nozzle, which says the size of the nozzle is 100% of the expected power increase ie a 50hp increase would need a 100 nozzle, but this is not always the case as you will not get a 50hp increase if you have a restrictive exhaust etc etc. The fuel calibration varies dramaticaly for each car, but again the rule thumb suggests that is should 50% of the nitrous nozzle.

The sizes of the nozzles are stamped on them.

My Maths is soooo bad...

I though 100 was 200% of 50

I'm so glad I passed GCSE Maths and don't have to do it again

But thanks for clearing that up, TDI.

SO can you send me a 200 Jet and the right fuel Jet to go with it? How much all in with postage?

Also, will your Jets work with my Nos Lines and Fogger? If so, will you be a pal, and stick a few inches of PTFE tape so I can get a good seal? Cheers.

Loz

DaveEllen · September 10, 2003

Simon,
My view is that the engine will comfortably take a 50hp shot.

As you are coming over on Saturday, why not try to hook up with Dave Ellen (who is coming over) and take a look at his installation. You may even be able to sweet talk him into a ride

I'll be there for 9ish..............Got to call first to see if there is any Gas left............

I'm sure we can nip out for a blast :winky:

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