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Excellent info as always Colin, thanks for posting 👍 Apologies if I have got the wrong end of the stick, but does this mean that the engine in the RX450h and the GS450h are different? Thanks.

No, it was a fair point - if you are going to do a comparison then it should be a close to like for like as possible. I was just being lazy the first time 🙂

4 hours! Glad I let the dealer change mine then 🙂

To be honest, I just did a quick search and pulled a random image from Google. However, ok, hopefully this is a better comparison for you: Still rather a big difference I would say.

I suspect we are getting into the nitty gritty of something that is perhaps not relevant to the general aim of this thread, but ok, one more go. The line between proposition and assertion is a fine one that is very easy to confuse in any lengthy written discussion. So, accounting for that, if I were to have phrased my views as ideas rather than opinions, would the validity of the points raise increase? As for the principle of choice, that is an entirely different discussion that I don't think would fit into this thread, especially when you start considering the individual freedoms versus the collective good and the minutiae that that entails.

Whether it is you or 'your friend' removing the EGR valve it is not a good idea. Yes, it will throw up errors on the ECU and the car will go into Limp Home mode. More importantly, it is not a good idea because of the reasons already given on here, namely environmental and morally. As a former IS220d owner (which I was quite happy with) this is not something I would have contemplated. I had no issues with the car from the EGR or DPF perspective during my ownership because of appropriate driving habits and simple preventative maintenance. As for carbon build up, that is something that has been plaguing direct injection cars (both petrol and diesel) for quite some time now as well, so you just have to deal with it as a part of car ownership. As far as I am concerned, with an attitude like that, he is far more welcome on this forum than you are..

This is an interesting perspective and not one widely considered I think. It would tie in to the whole status symbol ideology that has already been mentioned. I am not saying it is correct, but there is something to be said about human nature 🙂 Excellent reason to buy an SVU! I think this image highlights what you are talking about well:

What's that over there Bernard? It is a can with worms written on it 🙂 Succinctly put and certainly what I witnessed when I worked at a private school in Ascot. Like I said before, it is general size, not just length. From a general perspective, they offer worse visibility and parking availability for other road users, which is what the issue surrounds. Technically though, the topic kicked off because for people like myself who don't like big SVU's, the choice of car is being limited because of the production of the many SVU's by manufacturers.

Rayaan, you seemed to have taken my opinion badly. Just like your supposition, I have just as much right to air my views. As I have already stipulated in my previous posts in this thread, yes, there are genuine needs for people with health conditions to have taller cars, but this doesn't appear to represent the majority. Also, there seems to be confusion on the subject of need. Does someone who has a bad leg or hip need something bigger? Yes. Do you need one because you have a family of 5? No, you can buy an estate car. My dad didn't have a problem doing that with his old Mercedes 200T estate when my brother's and I were younger. Again, I would like to point out that I am not say you don't have the right to buy one, just that the word need is a little strong in this case. It is also interesting that you specifically singled out the Q5 even though I mentioned others. Perhaps that was a mistake on my part, but I was generalising and just listed those cars off the top of my head. What about the X5? It is longer, wider and significantly taller than my GS. How about we take some other examples? There are many to choose from, but they include the Audi Q7, Volvo XC90, BMW X7, etc...Would comparing my car to these make more sense, especially as we are talking overall size, not just length or width?

Please don't misunderstand me; I meant no disrespect for the choices that you or your partner have made. Everyone is entitled to their views and choices irrespective of the reasoning behind it, and I am sure you are both happy with yours. I also didn't mean to imply that people don't know what they want with their cars, merely that perhaps there is an alternate perspective that hasn't been considered. Phil, have you forgotten the teachings of Mr Spock?!?! 🙂 I am a little confused as the logic in my statement was choice? Also, offering a counterpoint to reason is a basis for discussion, it is not necessarily saying that the reasoning itself is unsound. Or, as Aristotle would say, a single assertion must always either affirm or deny a single predicate of a single subject. Hence my breaking down the argument into individual components. Lastly, since the major premise in this case is the advocation of choice, the outcome must surely follow a logical conclusion? Either way, we are dangerous close to starting a philosophical debate rather than the discussion of why cars are so big now 🙂

I never said it was economically viable or a sound business practice, but that doesn't make it any less frustrating 🙂

Richard, if I may go full Linas on you for a moment (I do apologise in advance): Easy to get in and out - This is a marginal benefit at best since 'normal' sized cars are hardly difficult to get in to. In fact, I have actually found it the opposite sometimes since for some SVU's you have to 'hop up' to get in them which I find awkward. better driving position on the road - Again, only in a small way. Does looking down really make that much difference to the driver other than as a preference? Apart from being able to look down on people in their saloons and hatchbacks (literally and figuratively), I don't think the benefit is significant. more space for the family - Not necessarily. As an example that has already been mentioned, the UX has a very small boot space. I also remember when the BMW X6 first came out that people were commenting that it didn't have any additional space inside when compared to cars much smaller than it. because she wanted one - And here we reach the crux of the issue. One of the main reason I think people choose these cars is because they want one. In isolation this seems like a reasonable logic, but it doesn't take into account the various factors that we have already discussed on this thread about how it affects other road users. Also, to quote a tired cliché - "Would you give whiskey to an alcoholic?" The obvious implication being that wanting something is sometimes not a good enough reason in itself. Now this looks like a personal attack against you Richard, but I assure you it is not. I am just bored and been wanting to unload this on the forum as soon as the opportunity allowed for it, which you so kindly provided 🙂

Spot on Linas. Like you say, it is a lack of choice. I would serious consider the new IS if it were available in the UK, but that is just one specific example of a much larger trend.

Don't get me wrong Herbie, perhaps I should have quantified my statement to preclude those with a real need. As someone who has a serious back problem in the past, I can certainly sympathise. However, you must admit that this reasoning doesn't apply to the majority of people that buy Crossover/SVU type cars.

Welcome Pasi. This is very strange indeed. It is also interesting, so I don't suppose we could get some pic's of the car to see what it looks like 🙂 Thanks.

What is wrong with people today 🙄 As someone who prefers saloon and hatchback cars, I can't understand the desire from people for tall, bigger cars. I don't blame the manufacturers since they are only reacting to demand, but it is a shame that 'normal' cars are disappearing fast. No offense intended, but the size of RX's, BMW X5's and Audi Q5's are bordering on the ridiculous now and there is just no need for such a large car. The old highway code used to say to look through the car in front to see any potential hazards before they are too close, but that is not possible in my GS now. Not to mention the parking problem as they are sometimes too big to fit in a single bay. Back on topic, this stems from the article claiming that this new car is to be considered 'tiny', which demonstrates the sad stat of affairs.

Well, that was half an hour wasted I am never getting back... Take it from someone who has just seen this thread and read it in one go - you are going around in circles and neither side is going to convince the other, so why bother? Ultimately, the Electric vs Hydrogen debate is going to be on going for a while and only time will tell which one is going to work out better.

I believe that is missing the point somewhat John. The issue isn't what is actually covered, it is that Lexus might be providing inaccurate information to the general public with these mixed messages. It appears like a strange discrepancy to me since, as we know, it is immediately obvious to anyone that has a brief look into it that the Relax warranty isn't the same as a new car one, so why are they claiming as such? Hopefully @MadJam250 gets an answer soon.

Welcome Kuba. You both obviously have good taste 🙂 How long have you had them? Also, pictures are always welcome 🙂

😲 My car is so offended that it refuses to carry me to your residence!

Can I come too? 😉🙂

My car has been back to the dealer a few times in the last month to complete some warranty work, and as such, I have been in the unusual situation of having the use of a base spec UX and a Takumi UX300e within a week or so of each other. As a direct comparison, it is almost like testing two completely different cars. I will admit I am not a fan of the standard spec UX250h. I am not going to go into details, but it was very much not my cup of tea. However, I rather enjoyed my time in the electric version, partly because of the spec, but mostly for the driving experience. Now I will say that a lot of that is probably down to the novelty factor but I do think it would take a while for me to get bored of it. Also, regardless of the method of propulsion, the comfort and convenience difference between the alternate ends of the specs was stark. Granted you are talking of a over £20,000 price difference, but that doesn't change the experience. Ultimately, what I am trying to get at is that I wouldn't own a standard UX250h but would certainly consider a UX300e Takumi if it was affordable.

Perhaps a bit harsh there John. What if it is the equivalent of a victimless crime? After all, the salesmen obviously don't mind (I have had a few suggest to me as well) and if the finance company were unduly affected then they could surely make a change to the T&C to add a surcharge - after the initial cooling off period of course - like other financial products? Ultimately, if it is subsidised by the manufacturer and they are happy with the deal then what's the harm? Even with the deposit contributions it appears to be in their favour to seller the car otherwise they wouldn't provide it. Personally, I don't think I would have much of a moral qualm in doing as suggested if I were in a lucky enough position to be able to do so.

Ok, so on my invoice the part number for the new rear shock is L48530-80756, so it matches yours.

Not seen that one before; excellent find 👍