paulrnx

But then you don't ever read the whole post do you. Hell, sometimes you don't even read the title or the first post

I must have been wrong then

I don't think he's going to let a simple fact like that get in the way of his argument

I did all the research I needed to when I had my 2nd gen IS250 SE-L for nigh on 3 years and about 60,000 miles. I did some more research when I had my 3rd gen IS350 for 7 months and about 18,000 miles. I also did a bit more research when I test drove about 8 or so other vehicles including courtesy cars when mine were in for servicing. Suspect you've done plenty of keyboard research. Bet your p***s is bigger than mine too

I'd be so much happier in an NX450h....... Please Lexus, please

Guess that's what you and Lexus have in common then

What an interesting thread this one is

Awesome writeup rayaans and, may I say, a good choice. Sharp looking car the current NX. I especially like the detailing behind the side rear window. I have experience of Lexus Cheltenham and they always offer low part-ex prices. Probably a Listers policy I always thought

Awesome. Even better. Next week they'll be dipping below the 7s 0-60 which should make them feel even quicker

Nope. I've owned two and they never felt that quick, ever. I drive my wife's Mini Coper 1.5t which is about 7.8s to 60 and it feels faster than both of my IS250s. I just don't believe an IS250 is capable of 7.6s. Certainly not the ones I've driven anyway. Probably driven about 10 in total I'd say. A 2nd gen IS250 feels quicker than a 3rd gen IS250 though. Marginal but definitely felt a bit quicker. If an IS250 can do 7.6s then maybe an IS200t is a low 6s car. Must be if an IS250 can lop about 0.6-0.7s off its official acceleration figure. Maybe all cars are like this in your world?

Oh man. I have never driven an IS250 that feels that quick. Never. Let's just disagree on this one

As someone who owned an IS200t for about 5 months and did about 10k miles, I got to know this engine. It is powerful and feels fast in an IS. I've had a 5 litre V8 XF (385BHP) and two 3 litre twin turbo diesel S XFs, all below 6s to 60, the V8 in 5.5s, and I never felt short of go in my IS200t. I'm not saying it was as quick as these cars, just that it felt rapid. Certainly more so than any IS I've driven apart from of course an ISF. It is however disappointingly uneconomical. I got the same figures, 32-34 in normal driving as I did in a previous 3rd gen IS250 F-Sport. Not a great sound in comparison with an IS250 either but perfectly ok judged in isolation. The other disappointment of the IS200t was the lack of zing in the engine. It just didn't seem to rev that quickly in comparison with other 4 pot 2 litre turbos - I've driven Golf GTIs and owned an A5 Coupe 211 TFSI and they all rev so much quicker and are faster as a result of it. Just driven a current model 328i and this is also quite a bit nicer than an IS200t. If Lexus took a bit of inertia out of the engine and made it more economical I think it would have sold in many more numbers. But then they wouldn't sell so many hybrids. I think they missed a trick to be honest. Oh and the supposed direct shift gearbox was pretty horrible but I learned to drive around the worst shifts by feathering the throttle. From memory, the 3rd to 2nd shift, be it manually initiated or auto initiated, was simply not good enough in a modern car. All in all though, I enjoyed the car way more than any Lexus hybrid I've owned. But that's probably because I've never owned a 450h!

Believe an IS200t is about 145MPH flat out and 0-60 in 7s. Hardly a snail in my book. Quite a bit quicker than your IS250 too

In days long ago BMW had a simple model naming convention whereby the first number was the series and the second & third the engine size. Nowadays, the second and third numbers denote the position of the car in the range. Been this way for some time now

I was comparing an IS200t with an IS250, 2nd and 3rd gen car, and an IS300h. You seem to be comparing an IS200t with a 328i

Lovely looking car Ian. Re the ride - there is something not quite right about an NX ride. There is good suspension travel and you can feel it soaking up large undulations but short sharp bumps such as ridges in the tarmac or slight potholes are really felt through the whole car. I can feel slight tyre bounce and I can feel the suspension working and yet the car is pants over short sharp ridges including expansion joints between motorway road sections. Think that motoring journalists call it primary and secondary ride comfort. The NX has great primary comfort and crap secondary comfort. Might have it round the wrong way, not an expert.... Agreed re the radar cruise control. Simply superb

It's right what others have said, economy does go up during the summer months. Can't work out if the batteries work better in warmer weather or whether it's because I'm not driving with heater on, lights on, wipers on, heated seats etc. Climate control on all the time though and I've turned off the automatic AC and efficient ventilation because it helps to keep the cabin at a more constant temperature and I find I don't have to keep turning the temp up and down all the time

I get a weird noise when I brake. First time I heard it, I thought it was electrical interference over the stereo speakers. I'm not talking about the whooshing noise you get as you come to a standstill. Mine happens at all speeds and even when lightly touching the brakes. Only a slight noise but a bit weird nonetheless

I'd love an IS-F though!

I'm not talking about going fast for driving enjoyment. It's really about wanting a more linear relationship between throttle and forward motion. Also I don't want the car to decide whether it gives me some battery power as well as petrol power. I want the same level of performance every time I press the accelerator. The difference between a battery charge depleted NX and one with a charged battery is quite significant. I also like to be able to hold an auto gearbox in a gear on a twisty road, especially one with gradient. The manual mode in an NX hybrid is nothing more than an illusion and you still get the same rising and falling of revs with the slightest of throttle. I just find the car completely boring to drive. On a motorway I find it difficult to accelerate out into the outside lane without using masses of throttle and then as a result of this unnaturally high rpm. Too much of a delay between pedal travel and forward motion in most give an take situations too. Things improve a little in sport mode but never enough to make me enjoy driving the car. Off to Goodwood Festival of Speed tomorrow and I plan to have a good look around a 3 series saloon and touring. Then off to look at a 328i Touring for sale, on Saturday. Hoping this will give me a good blend of performance, economy and fun. Just have to check out the refinement. If all ok, I'll then be looking for the right car.

Spot on. Had an IS200t for 4 months. Had a previous gen IS250 and a current gen IS250 and both wouldn't see which way a 200t went. They don't come close. Had an IS300h and this would be nowhere near an IS200t in a drag race. My 200t always felt like a rapid car and I couldn't say that about any of the others. Poor economy though, I expected better.

I'll be booking some test drives within the next month and see where I go from there. Just done a weekend away and a 350 mile round trip on the M5. Still as boring as ever in the NX I'm afraid so it will be going at some point. Just need to decide what

Been thinking about an S4 or an S6, MIght well try a GS450h again. They can be had for reasonable money. Tried a few ISF but the ride is harsh and unforgiving. Bit noisy too. I need something that is comfortable most of the time but will give me a bit of fun when the mood takes me. The trouble with fast Audis is that they have zero ride comfort, at least to my backside anway. I don't think an Evoque is the answer, I like the look of them and the name and they leave me feeling slightly underwhelmed whenever I've driven on. Agree re the XE interior but they do drive very nicely. I can see myself back in a previous model XF, very few cars have such a nice blend of comfort, pace and driving feel. I'm doing a pretty long commute each day on national speed limit open A roads and a bit of dualtrack and the NX just leaves me stone cold in terms of enjoying the drive. Shame

What would I have? Well, possibly another XF. With one of these it's possible to have refinement, luxury and comfort with plenty of driving enjoyment. I don't want to go back to a small sports saloon, I've had my fill of IS saloons now. I don't want an out and out sports car with crashy suspension and a harsh noisy ride, I want something comfortable, quiet, refined and nice to own but something that, when the mood takes me, is fun to drive. I'm afraid I get zero fun from driving my NX. Shortlist is:- Jaguar XF 3.0 s/c Portfolio Golf R Estate (I need a bit more space than the hatchback would give me) Range Rover Evoque 2.0i Jaguar XE 3.0 s/c S And, if my heart rules my head, a Jaguar XFR I'd consider an NX200t but I know from owning an IS200t that the engine isn't really that nice. It doesn't rev too well, it's not particularly economical which is a disappointment given it doesn't rev and perform that well. Sounds a bit crap too, at least in the IS. I will try an NX200t when I get chance to though. Has to be an auto though for the ease of everyday driving

I think it's tyres that make an NX noisy. The suspension feels supple enough when underway but still plenty of road noise. Worth trying a different make and choosing a tyre partly based on its noise rating. Shame you can't try and buy tyres!