thanks for all the replies ,looked at a 430 (fantastic car to drive ,miles away from the mk1 in every way ) on wednesday but sadly thier just was not enough room in back for two large kids and a baby ,the baby seat just takes up to much room .love the cars but will have to wait a few years before buying one . have bought a toyota landcruiser colorado vx ,very different to what i have but not quite a people carrier ,needs must and all that .not far from being a lexus really and will hopefully be as reliable etc .