Lexus And Snow

[Exdee]

This is frustration. Your posts lack content of any value. You are keen to reply just because it helps make you feel better about yourself. I've checked your profile out and seen some of the posts you've made in other threads and am convinced that you've got a habit of trolling.

Wish I had seen your profile earlier so that I wouldn't have bothered wasting time on you.

[Desmond]

I'm not criticising folks on here for their opinions on the Lexus but I do think technique matters more than the model of car.

Precisely, being confident about ones ability to drive does not make one ignorant. If winter tyres help one's confidence then so be it. If they were necessary in the UK they would have been the law. End of story. :)

I agree. Some of us were lucky to have learnt to drive in days when instructors taught you about the relationship between the engine speed and the road speed in adverse conditions. As I understand it, learners these days are simply told to use the brakes to slow down and miss gears on the change down as the car comes to a halt. There is no way that a driver can be in full control on snow with that method but you will see younger drivers getting into trouble with it every day while this bad weather is on. I'm far from a brilliant driver, just fortunate enough to have be taught properly.

Ahh... Something I can happily relate to. I mean I couldn't count the number of times I have got myself out of a mess just because of gearing down to assist in decelerating rather than jamming the brakes. It's true but sad how little they teach drivers these days about technique.

Something else to relate to - for years those old cars were on narrow cross-ply tyres. On snow and slush those tyres with their more rigid side walls would cut their own track and not follow the ruts so you could keep the front & rear wheels better aligned and reduced skid risk. Radials are better on sheer ice but not much, even soft winter tyres won't help a lot on that. The low profiles on my 250 have decent tread and grip well but I'm always conscious that they are going over the snow rather than through it. The bloke down the road has a lot more bother with his BMW than I do with the Lexus but that is more down to his heavy right clog than the car or the tyres!

[noby76]

This is frustration. Your posts lack content of any value. You are keen to reply just because it helps make you feel better about yourself. I've checked your profile out and seen some of the posts you've made in other threads and am convinced that you've got a habit of trolling.

Wish I had seen your profile earlier so that I wouldn't have bothered wasting time on you.

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[Exdee]

I'm not criticising folks on here for their opinions on the Lexus but I do think technique matters more than the model of car.

Precisely, being confident about ones ability to drive does not make one ignorant. If winter tyres help one's confidence then so be it. If they were necessary in the UK they would have been the law. End of story. :)

I agree. Some of us were lucky to have learnt to drive in days when instructors taught you about the relationship between the engine speed and the road speed in adverse conditions. As I understand it, learners these days are simply told to use the brakes to slow down and miss gears on the change down as the car comes to a halt. There is no way that a driver can be in full control on snow with that method but you will see younger drivers getting into trouble with it every day while this bad weather is on. I'm far from a brilliant driver, just fortunate enough to have be taught properly.

Ahh... Something I can happily relate to. I mean I couldn't count the number of times I have got myself out of a mess just because of gearing down to assist in decelerating rather than jamming the brakes. It's true but sad how little they teach drivers these days about technique.

Something else to relate to - for years those old cars were on narrow cross-ply tyres. On snow and slush those tyres with their more rigid side walls would cut their own track and not follow the ruts so you could keep the front & rear wheels better aligned and reduced skid risk. Radials are better on sheer ice but not much, even soft winter tyres won't help a lot on that. The low profiles on my 250 have decent tread and grip well but I'm always conscious that they are going over the snow rather than through it. The bloke down the road has a lot more bother with his BMW than I do with the Lexus but that is more down to his heavy right clog than the car or the tyres!

Desmond, I really appreciate your intellect. It was a pleasure reading your post.

This is frustration. Your posts lack content of any value. You are keen to reply just because it helps make you feel better about yourself. I've checked your profile out and seen some of the posts you've made in other threads and am convinced that you've got a habit of trolling.

Wish I had seen your profile earlier so that I wouldn't have bothered wasting time on you.

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Looks like you've been a victim too. lol

[matt-c]

This is frustration. Your posts lack content of any value. You are keen to reply just because it helps make you feel better about yourself. I've checked your profile out and seen some of the posts you've made in other threads and am convinced that you've got a habit of trolling.

Wish I had seen your profile earlier so that I wouldn't have bothered wasting time on you.

Hahahaha. Pot calling the kettle black there my friend. That's a post so full of avoidance (inability to answer/comment more like) a politician would be proud.

Oh dear...

[noby76]

Looks like you've been a victim too. lol

I always fall victim.. maybe i should start ignoring from now on

[matt-c]

Looks like you've been a victim too. lol

I wouldn't use the word victim at all. Victim implies one has come to feel helpless in the face of misfortune, when in reality it's your own fault, both of you, that you can't have an adult and up front discussion. Both of you choose to "pffft" reply to posts instead of giving a correct and concise answer, because you know you can't without your whole argument coming crashing down your ears. A tiny example, your constant talking about how good your car fares around a racetrack. However you've never been on a racetrack. But it took persistent asking to get that info, because you chose to avoid the question, knowing it would invalidate your argument entirely. Exdee seems to want to avoid simple questions such as what winter tyres he's used in the past, why he wouldn't want to take any kind of preventative or precautionary measures when driving in adverse weather, and on several occasions avoided a direct answer to the hypothetical situation of what footwear to wear in snow, should he have delicate cargo to carry (such as a baby). Even a simpleton could see the answer to that question is "I'd wear boots to have as much grip as possible", but saying that would completely invalidate his argument and make him look a fool. However by not answering it directly, as he's choosing to do, he looks just as, if not more so, foolish.

Two pea's in a pod methinks...

Oh dear oh dear...

[Exdee]

Looks like you've been a victim too. lol

I always fall victim.. maybe i should start ignoring from now on

It's never too late. :)

[noby76]

hahaaaa you make me laugh matt haaaaha...i dont need a reactrack to know my car is a rapid machine its not an IS-F beater nor an RS6 beater either but it performs better that 70% of cars driven on UK roads on a daily basis. if in doubt ask the dude in Subaru RB270 yes a 270BHP impreza couldnt get away from this IS in a straigh line drag race. so I dont need a track to know the IS300 is a high performace car. fact that I have never driven on a racetrack does not mean the next man who was able to set the fastest lap on the Nurburgring track is able to do so if he has not driven in Silverstone track before becuse he will be in the same shoes as me.

[matt-c]

^^ absolute classic. I expect nothing less! You never fail to deliver!

[Silver Arrow]

Well as I've said before. I was a winter tyre sceptic. No more though. They are bloomin' amazing! It's not just snow or ice either (I tried on sheet ice today - no probs - grip).

This thread is epic for us who need bed time reading.

[Guest bigbullhead]

Even changing gear at 25mph from 4th to 3rd made the car rear try to come to the front lol my first rear wheel drive since my marina forgot they need a bit of concentration lol

[bluenose1940]

Even changing gear at 25mph from 4th to 3rd made the car rear try to come to the front lol my first rear wheel drive since my marina forgot they need a bit of concentration lol

Oh yes, the good old Morris Marina, I seem to remember mine was a horrible mustard sort of colour, 1.8 engine and I could have entered myself for the 'Dancing on Ice' series.................memories eh!

[stevet]

Even changing gear at 25mph from 4th to 3rd made the car rear try to come to the front lol my first rear wheel drive since my marina forgot they need a bit of concentration lol

Oh yes, the good old Morris Marina, I seem to remember mine was a horrible mustard sort of colour, 1.8 engine and I could have entered myself for the 'Dancing on Ice' series.................memories eh!

Yes! mine was mustard colour as well. I remember changing it for a Cortina Mk2 GXL which seemed like a Rolls Royce compared to the Marina :)

[Jarek]

I find strange this discussion - if you live in Northern Europe you have to expect snow in winter one point. Second - when you buy RWD car don't expect to drive it as FWD! People don't think about that, they like design or color and later complain. Firstly try before you buy sth and READ what do you want to buy! Third - winter tyres are now a must since summer tyres are not like old universal ones in the past. They got extremely hard when temperature goes below 7-5 degrees. So for safety even without snow tyres should be changed for winter ones in all North European countries.

My cousin was complaining for his old BMW 318 (21 years old!) for last weeks that's impossible to drive. Finally two days ago he changed for a second hand winter tyres and discovered that he can easily use the car again. I've tried it and surprisingly noticed that it was easier to drive on snow than my IS200 which is equipped in TRC and snow option.

[CHUNKY CHIP]

Even changing gear at 25mph from 4th to 3rd made the car rear try to come to the front lol my first rear wheel drive since my marina forgot they need a bit of concentration lol

Oh yes, the good old Morris Marina, I seem to remember mine was a horrible mustard sort of colour, 1.8 engine and I could have entered myself for the 'Dancing on Ice' series.................memories eh!

Yes! mine was mustard colour as well. I remember changing it for a Cortina Mk2 GXL which seemed like a Rolls Royce compared to the Marina :)

mine was an ital after the mustard marina ha ha

my ital was operline green slx top of the range beast in the snow it was superb (with 4 bags sand in boot

[MIKEDAVIDN]

I drove home from work Saturday 6am, the snow was 5" deep, with my winter tyres on I made it home without a problem, not at any point was I worried about getting stuck.

I had two bags of sand in boot just to help.

[catweazil]

my local tyre fitter recommends putting someting heavy in the boot ( above each of the wheels) a small bag of compost or if you can sourse if 2 lumps of lead ( quite heavy takes up less room)

the added weight will give some more traction

having been stuck along a country road in the last storms i am def going to be trying this!

blanket/ chocolate, thermos ( wellies and shovel in the boot too)

drive safe everyone

[matt-c]

I've said it a few times - a full tank of fuel in these cars weighs about 8 and a half stone. That's plenty of weight, and at least you get something out of it too!

[ChrisIS200SportTTE]

I've said it a few times - a full tank of fuel in these cars weighs about 8 and a half stone. That's plenty of weight, and at least you get something out of it too!

I took this advice and found that even on summer tyres my car was a little more planted on the white stuff :)

[Silver Arrow]

Just reduce tyre pressures by 10%....thats what they do in Dubai when they take you on the desert safari (more like 50% reduction...)

[Derek870]

In summer and good weather my wife drives the Lexus, as soon as it snows she takes my Volvo (FWD) and gets to work fine, seems to work for her lol! Meanwhile I slither and slide in the Lexus..................

Just like the other oldies on here I learnt to drive and owned RWD drive cars, Cortinas, Escorts, BMW`s and learnt how to cope in snow, sometimes I think all the gizmos we rely on cause us problems when confronted with adverse weather