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The Mark 4 is twenty years old in November and I have just done a clean and refurb of the wheels as a birthday treat,see pics The wheel wells were scrubbed clean and sprayed with new underseal and the suspension hardware arms were coated with protective corrosion resistor, the static beams and fixings coated with a slight film of sprayed underseal ,this prevents atmospheric corrosion.The rest of the under floor is rust free as it was like new factory finish. I did the underside with Dinitrol 6 years ago when I bought the car and it was a good move as the area around the diff and above is still corrosion free.

@Stuno1 As regards the wheels question you posed Stu my car goes in tomorrow to Lexus Cheltenham for a major service and some personalisation, my wheels have been diamond cut once before so I want to preserve 'the one more cut ' for the future so I'm having them fully stripped and powder coated in a dark Anthracite with a slight satin sheen to the surface I didn't want a glossy finish. And the calipers are going from black to 'Brembo Yellow' I'll post up a thread with lots of pics when I get her back. 🐀

Very nice indeed. I've only ever heard good things about the latest Mazda models and have been impressed when I've looked. Not to mention they seem to be chasing market share so 15% discount seems to be the starting point for negotiation on new cars so they represent very good value, especially given the equipment levels. Reading back through this thread, it occurs to me that - as with most things - it's all about opinions, needs vs wants and personal preference, often based on your own values and beliefs. My 'values' are around quality and comfort when it comes to cars, rather than practicality or 'the drive.' Cars aren't so different to houses in that regard. After all, I could buy a 2 bedroom house in London if I wanted to live in the city, but my preference was to live in a bigger house in the country. That's my preference but I have plenty of friends who still feel they 'need' the buzz of living in London. As with @Linas.Pand the power discussion even though I don't - and don't know anybody - in my social circle who drives fast or who would feel they need a car with more power than a 300h (or a Fiesta Ecoboost for that matter!) I guess that doesn't mean that there isn't a small demand for those more powerful products. I don't understand it and never will, but like living in London, I don't really need to understand it to understand that it is there. Presumably Lexus have made a decision that they won't chase that market in the U.K., which leaves those who want such products to go elsewhere. Time will tell if that's the right decision for the brand.

No, it looks like a proper one without a hole in the roof. 😉

At the half term break just gone, the family and I went up to Skye. We were so very lucky with the weather and the midges were not so bad. 3 bikes on the back (plus one in the boot!), picture is the Glenelg to Skye ferry, a very romantic way on to the Isle. Over 1000 miles with the rack and bikes and it felt very solid, so I can really recommend the Saris. My LS never missed a beat and I averaged about 26mpg. Car photo is at the house where we stayed in an area called Waternish, the house being in Loch Bay. It is a beautiful place and our fourth time there but never with such great weather. Didn't see another LS all the way there or back but amazingly a 400 overtook me just outside of Dunvegan. Love my LS.

@Comedian Has your poorly paw obscured your eyesight black wheels with yellow callipers..... like this Lambo car thingy in the pic.... 🐀

It is not that much off topic (the examples are), the point we discussed was quite simple - Is ES300h fast or slow, is it fast "enough" for modern premium saloon or not. It seems taking away how much people are "willing" to pay for something it is statistically slow car and in it's segment represents minority's choice.

Might be worth making sure the welds are ok at the same time as they are known to fail occasionally losing the odd tip. When I originally bought my ISF you could only buy the whole fake tip assembly at £400 a corner - was one of the advantages of the H&S exhaust system for me.

Hi all just saying hi and checking what going on I am a long time Lexus guys but fogo5 all my log in crap so made a new start just picked up my 4th Lexus , a GS F and still getting to know it how many on here have the GS f as I don’t have the user guide i need to set my nite screen ,as it a bit bright at nite

@First_Lexus you will be surprised, but at least using Autotrader data nearly 20% of people chooses to drive something faster then GS300h/250 or for that matter IS250, 3% actually chooses cars under 5s 0-60. Based on that 1 in every 5 car owners in UK would be of opinion that GS300h is slow. That is 20 times more then you stated (even thought I understand you didn't actually mean 99% and it was more of expression rather then statistical claim). I agree that is not majority, but again here we talking only about UK with retarded speed limits and terrible anti-motorists culture, still 20% is not exactly small percentage or 1 in 5 something we can consider rare. If I go further, that is based on all cars on sale made from 1900 (443000 cars), if we refocus statistics on something more relevant - say premium saloons cars of last decade, that percentage will change significantly - we have total 6640 cars listed in this category, 5208 of which are faster then any car fitted with 300h, over 1400 are faster then 5s 0-60. That means in premium saloon category 79% of car owners would consider car under 8s 0-60 as slow. 4 out of every 5! - and that is not my values or opinion - it is cold hard statistics. Now I appreciate you understand that there are different people with different choices, but I don't think comparison with houses captures the point of discussion. If we compare like that, then you can get very nice flat in London in new modern development and run down terrible hole in ex-council housing, or equally you can get mansion in scenic country side or rotten cottage in ex-mining town. What I am saying house in country side even if you choose to live there (certainly I would) is not necessary equal to another house in country side. Equally premium saloon is not necessary equal another premium saloon - one can be brilliant and another can be complete rubbish.

Here are the user manuals. One for the car, one for the infotainment. Mine didn’t come with hard copies either! Lovely car. Same as mine, but I’ve got black seats. Absolutely besotted with it! Edit: A trick of the light, or do you not have a sunroof? OM30F12U.pdf OM30E86U.pdf

New order by me - that’s all standard on the top trim. It does have a Bose stereo dab etc but can’t comment as I’m a few weeks from delivery. It is the 2.5 which is new to uk but the US had it for a couple of years. This is the spec and colour I’ve ordered

I just bought one but Toyotatech managed to affect an interim repair to pass the mot - I was being flashed by oncoming traffic, so knew something was amiss: https://www.sgs-engineering.com/gsc2618-lexus-ls400-ride-height-sensor-arm

Nice! If you do decide to pop along, come say hi. Should be with the car on and off throughout the day. 👍 You got it BR, will try and snap a few good shots throughout the day to share with you all. 😊

Should be my watch!

Got myself a new daily driver! Those of you that are into your tuning/racing will understand the connection!!

Just need to get few of these and you have yourself Lexus ES for half price 😄

I don't understand why some people are so vociferous in their condemnation against the GS 300h or its probable successor, the ES. Subjectivity and objectivity keep being mentioned. Speed (or acceleration) also keeps being mentioned. None of this is actually relevant. Those that are happy with the GS or those that are happy to buy an ES should be happy to do that without criticism from those that have a different opinion. Those that aren't or wouldn't should just go and buy what they are happy with and stop thinking that they are right and those that disagree are wrong. That's what subjectivity is all about. If we all made objective decisions when buying a car we'd all be driving the same thing and that would probably be boring!

Probably for a premium car the ES has the engine mounted wrongways, the wrong axel is powered and it’s too slow. However equipment levels will be generous so like for like it’ll undercut the German makes. The GS does too when you consider the standard specification. My SE 2013 GS has pretty much the same standard interior spec as a 7 series or S class of the same age. A standard 5 series SE, A6 SE is remarkably basic with manual 6 way seat adjustment being the norm. Actually is an ES300h that off the pace, the Germans 9/10 times are sold with 4 clyinder diesels. Not one of them can top 150mph, most won’t top 140mph and none will crack 60 in under 7 sec. Is a 520d that much faster than an ES300h in reality for it to matter. Probably not. The GS range was hindered by the lack of the 200t engine and 350 engine with the 8 speed box and I hate to say it a creditable diesel option if Toyota wanted to chase volume with serious gusto. The US range did better because the car got the gearbox and engine it deserved. I like my 250 but I’d have jumped at the chance at the 350 and 8sp I still think though the ES drive train suits a mass market car like the Camry better mind you and yes it’ll be lighter on kit but it’ll be thousands cheaper. I’m very interested. I live 1mi from a Toyota dealer - the Lexus one is 30mi away. Ease of ownership is a big thing for me. It’s why I sold my Mercedes. It was unreliable and I spent too much time going back and forth to a garage that wasn’t where I lived. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

@Stuno1 A double post deserved a double like 😂 Glad you agree with the wheels..... got stuck in the traffic earlier and along side me was a Black Alfa Quadfliggyfiggy.........well you know what I mean it had Matt black wheels with Brembo Yellow Callipers did look good I mean really good........ not to late to change my mind I guess and go black.....🤔 🐀

But that is clearly subjective... I am sure you agree with that. I understand that it is impossible to be always objective (if at all, because we all see facts in different light), but we should at least try for the sake of relevant discussion. Why 10s... this is clearly arbitrary number, why not say 6.5s?! Back in 60's (probably more 40's) for average premium car it might have been fine to do 0-60 in 20's. But it is no longer 60's, it is not hard to find somewhat objective criteria to measure what is acceptable car acceleration nowadays (e.g. statistics I provided above). Again speed limits are just arbitrary limits set by group of people, the national limit doesn't represent "safe speed"... as you mentioned yourself it is not even always safe to drive at the limit, sometimes you have to drive slower for safety.. equally sometimes it is completely safe to drive faster. If anything... speeds limits are just guidance and Highway code to your surprise is not "a law", it is rule book which applies for license holders. By speeding you not actually braking the law, you braking the conditions of the license... anyway I digress. It is misconception that acceleration within limits can be inappropriate. Yes - if you rev the engine, spin your tyres or try to race somebody in the street you are potentially braking the rules, but not the "acceleration rule" - there are no such rule of how fast or slow you can accelerate provided you don't brake other rules. You can accelerate Bugatti in 2.9s to 60MPH without braking any existing rule on public road, when we going to have car which accelerates in 1s - that will be perfectly legal too. Again what does it mean "driving fast" or "driving aggressively", those are not definitions in rule book. "Fast" - is it faster then speed limit (which is arbitrary), then yes you braking rules.... within limit? - perfectly fine. I don't even know what "driving aggressively" means ... Ok.. if you changing lanes without indicating, maybe tailgating, undertaking.. but that is not "driving aggressively" - that is braking list of other rules which exists on their own accord.

The wheels look ace all black. Is it as simple as painting them? I i only ask as the standard ones are hand finished.

I can make you one up this weekend, have a couple of ECUs to repair so may as well have a Lexus repair weekend.

I agree with you that for that specific purpose Potenza 001s is better tyre, however there are much more for tyre then just high speed cornering. In fact as I mentioned in UK any corner over 70MPH would be illegal anyway, so kind of pointless to make that comparison. Other thing, I actually agree with... Dunlop marketing is a bit misleading - by no means RT2 is UHP tyre... it is probably at best HP (high performance). GT would be UHP, but based on Dunlop marketing material you would never have guessed. That compounded by inherently wrong decision by Lexus to even fit such size and pressure tires on RWD car results in experience you have. However, say in UK with ancient 70MPH limit and potholed roads RT2 would be rather brilliant tire - especially on front axle.

I think we're gonna have to agree to disagree on the tyres, I think the pictures speak for themselves. I'm not saying I have perfect handling now with the 225's, but just by changing to the Potenzas the handling improved beyond what I imagined possible, especially as this improvement was only linked to the tyre compound / sidewall stiffness, nothing else. They are the same size, same PSI (which at 36psi I don't think are under-inflated). I do agree with you that at lower speeds the RT2's performed quite well, but from around 65~70mp/h (depending on how sharp the corner of course) it indeed became a whole different story. For my next set of rear tyres, I'll get some 245s as probably everyone here agrees with you that the "potential ABS problem" story from the dealer is a lie.

If you have the car set up to connect to the Internet then it will just download the destinations and store in the sat nav memory location(s). The trick with the mouse things is to set the sensitivity to your liking so you can use the correct amount of force to move from one point to another. You may want to start with the highest force setting initially and reduce as you get use to it.

I put this on my build thread but it applies to all cars so thought I'd stick it here as well.... Have you ever sat there in traffic and looked at the steering wheel and thought.... "why did they make it gloss leather when the rest is matt" Well actually it isn't gloss... it's the proverbial polished turd...!! Get yourself a mild leather cleaner and get to work on it, only takes a few minutes but look at the state of the cloth you use, you won't believe how much dirt is on there..... Now sit back and look at your new wheel...!!! It really does make a massive difference, treat it with some leather food and wait for it to dry or you will get fingerprints on it... It now matches the airbag...!!

I think it is probably a set up problem as much as anything else. It only shows a handful of stations on a Hereford & Worcs channel, whereas the DAB on the Jag, lists Multi Channels and loads of stations. Of course the CT Nav book is about as much use as a candle in a storm for information on the unit, which seems quite common for Japanese produced cars. I think the books lose a lot of information when being translated into English, where many other foreign car makers tend to do a stand alone language publication. Too hot to sit out there and mess with it today but will try and get into it when I have a bit more time and patience, it's been a hard day and I need beer lol!

I'm sure someone has posted this already but if not it's very interesting.

It's not halogen, it is a LED. Thanks for your help anyway.

I really wouldn’t mind bumping into her again 😉😆 If she is there I will certainly try - I might even ask about a shirt for you as well!! 😆

Thanks for your help guys i managed to do The night time screen Iam getting the user guide send out to me by the dealer a few more thing to get sorted but that can wait until I get my user guide

Well, one lives and learns ! Many thanks for the technological update Connor. We`ll see if anything develops!

@Fat Boy Made the right choice IMO, the Gtr is without doubt a great car but they are a bit ‘needy’ and the running costs are a fair bit more, and for public road use a Gsf is just as quick....... almost 😉 🐀

I assume your float in the washer bottle has gone, just disconnect it as it is (so I believe) an MOT fail. Easy enough to do, nearside front wheel arch job, with car jacked up and wheel off. Replacement floats not cheap, some folks have attempted re-sealing float, which one day I'll get around to maybe doing.

I did a heath robinson repair which is just about to give up after 3 years, but just got a 'proper-job' from SGS. It is well made, and will not rot like the lexus version. When the link goes your lights point so far up that they do not light the immediate road in front on you, so not only do you blind others, you cannot see where the heck your going (well old gi*s like me cannot see). I had a look at mine the other day to put the SGS part in, but the threads all siezed, and on mine the SGS thread is slightly bigger than original, so will need to drill out the brackets to fit.

It is the very car was looking for one near to me , in black but no one had one a guy from work worried me to buy my old GS , and got feed up so sold it Spent 3 month with out my baby , test drove some lovely motor , 1 being a gtr , but not the colour I wanted All were just not me test drove GSF in white , loved it but for the colour so waited and landed up with this one

Kit same as my GS plus adaptice headlights radar cruise Emergency city braking powered tailgate head up display 4 zone climate heated rear seats 360 parking camera front/rear cross traffic warning sunroof 19” wheels touchscreen thats all I can think of off the top of my head

Cheers Dan. Fingers crossed, but I see from Facebook there are some pretty tasty cars attending. Think it's going to be a nice warm and sunny day, so that's good at least. I'll be sure to snap a few photos once it's all cleaned up and looking at it's best to share.

You can download the user manuals from the Lexus website if you want a read. I have them. Would I be allowed to post them on here?

Hello, welcome back. Congrats on the purchase. As always, we want photos!! Screen setup should be same as standard GS. I don't know the answer, but would recommend asking in the normal GS section, rather than GS-F.

Looks much better on the Lexus website with all the bodywork in the same colour.

Welcome to the LOC, enjoy.

Hi We have 75w-85 GL5 oils, the Fuchs Sintopoid is a well proven option https://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-982-fuchs-titan-sintopoid-fe-sae-75w-85-fully-synthetic-gear-oil.aspx The Millers ATF SPIII and Fuchs ATF 4400 are good options for the gearbox. https://www.opieoils.co.uk/c-1432-atf-automatic-transmission-fluid-for-cars.aspx Cheers

My last Lexus was black (GS F Sport) and it was great when clean but what an effort. Clay bars are my secret weapon.

It's worth pointing out that mine hadn't failed, I only replaced the radiator as a precaution after reading about the possible problem. You can see the rust beginning on mine and I believe it's the spread of rust that causes the joint to fail, that perhaps coupled with the slow failure of the o rings (as used to happen with the early LS400 power steering pump) Here are some more photos that I think show the real possibility of impending doom! The first is the radiator upside down showing the two connections that join the transmission via the rubber hoses, easy to access from underneath if raised up, the second is the bottom of the radiator cut away showing the cooler, the third shows just the cooler separated and how things were deteriorating. As you can see, the cooler is actually very small but in perfect condition in itself. And yes, the coolant needs to be drained but you don't really loose trans fluid, just a tiny amount.

With all my daily driver cars I have worked out the mpg! My Summer toy is a BMW Z4 3.0i and I'm not bothered what mpg I get out of it but I still check it after every fill up, it can also sometimes warn you of an issue with the car.

Ha!