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So, good news! I orderd my 450H+ Early October from Lexus in Southampton. It arrived at the dealership Wednesday and I pick it up tomorrow. Pretty excited to say the least. It has been far from smooth and I am still waiting for British Gas (Via Lexus) to install my charge point but I am just thrilled that it is finally within reach. Best of luck guys.

Just received word that my NX450h+ with Premium Plus pack and sunroof has arrived in the UK which is much earlier than expected as the last prediction was that it would be available on 12 March. Realise that there may be a delay between Portbury/Derby and Edinburgh.

Of the thousands of LOC members most, like you, do keep quiet, and that's a great shame. In a few weeks from now I will have been on this site for one year 🥳. I have found the practical vehicle advice and information hugely invaluable and unavailable from any other source. In addition the exchange of opinions/thoughts/ideas /assertions etc be they accurate or inaccurate to be joy 🍻. Especially the cut and thrust with certain individuals with whom I have never felt other than pure interest in their position on topics and never once experienced personal slight. To be proven wrong is one of life's great pursuits (much better than fox hunting) for in that you learn life-long lessons. I believe that the LOC is mostly 😉, full of educated, responsible articulate people who keep their powder dry far too long. So if you feel strongly about a particular topic load up your musket with rounded opinions and join the fray, your LOC needs you ☝️🙂

Interesting thread and , as an outsider as living in Holland, it seems to me that the UK is now where Holland has been already. I guess the change in law is to protect the soft target, the biker. All that is fine but the real issue is the infrastructure. Often when visiting the UK and driving on a a B-road i see cyclists. My absolute first reaction is always = Whooot, what is this guy doing on this road! Suicide!! = Only later realizing there is simply no alternative. No bicycle lane. Same in villages, small cities all is criss cross intermingling with lorries buses cars etc. Asking for trouble. It will be interesting to experience this for yourself, get on a bike and paddle around for an hour or two surrounded by traffic. It is a frightening experience to say the least. The drawing above albe-it old tells it all. Separate the bikers from motorized traffic. Every day i drive 10 miles to my office and never do i meet a cyclist, simply as they are not allowed to drive on my road as there are cycle paths everywhere. Last thing, hit a bike with your car in the Netherlands and you are getting the blame. Always. Even if the biker did hit you, even if the biker crossed a red light and you slam into him. One of the reasons i never take my car in Amsterdam...

You're missing a few things. 1. Majority people doing day to day usual driving can drive on purely electric which is a lot cheaper than petrol/diesel. 2. No need to worry about when and where to stop on the longer weekend drives as you have an engine. No worries about not having enough electric charging points etc 3. The phev is fantastic for tax through an ltd. All the features and benefits of electric plus the convenience of petrol.

That is probably what is called debate/argument... Not really sure why you would expect that this forum should be dedicated only to positive experiences about Lexus and nothing else but that? Highway code change impacts us all, so not sure what is wrong debating it, regardless on which side of the fence you consider yourself to be. But I take your point - some people feel threatened by any intellectual debate or argument and it is not limited to this forum, I know people in real life who say basically - "look that is my opinion and I don't want to debate it and I don't care how wrong or right it is, or what you have to say about it". I think that is very dangerous thing to do, because that remove any possibility of ever thinking through your own opinions and thus simply being right where you are right, but wrong where you are wrong. As people can't know everything this inevitably means they will be either mostly indifferent or wrong, except of some domain where they have expertise and are right. I am on other hand always welcome debate or argument, even if my position is being challenged I rather get through that, be proven wrong and know I was wrong, than being ignorant about it. So just to be clear - argument/debate for me is purely intellectual exercise, I am not doing to offend anyone, nor to get any favours, this is not personal attack on anyone either... perhaps only challenge to ignorance if there is any.

Oh Wow, calm down .... Apologies sent... You can relax now. I was simply stating my own personal experience with using a 3 pin plug on a PHEV over many years An electric plug will fail if faulty if you use it for a phev, freezer or even a jet wash. Take care everyone.

I do have two reversing lamps and I think Malc has been sniffing Malbec again Len.🤣

As always Peter too many "experts" chasing their version of the facts /truth. Will us ordinary people ever really know? Irrespective of the answer it's clear that the end objective is to control how often you will be allowed to travel justified using the climate change farago.

Your first point is fundamentally flawed and inaccurate. If you had been bothered to digest my comment you may have noticed that I said that I am not against criticism of our cars. Your second point about sitting on the fence is also flawed as I did not make any opinion of where I sit with regards to the changes. As a cyclist, a pedestrian and a driver I can see a plethora of boundaries rather than a single fence. I am a political animal and am always up for intellectual debate. However, I take umbrage at your consistent belief that you are always right. You criticise other members on here who choose a vehicle that you deem insufficient for your needs. Just because you don’t like the ES because you feel that it doesn’t handle well or isn’t fast enough doesn’t make you right. Different people have different needs for their transport. I just hope I don’t encounter you on one of our windy lanes when I’m pootling home in comfort whilst you are testing whatever you’re driving testing it to the limits. This is my first and last personal comment on this site and apologise for it. This is also my last word so please feel free to disagree!

Resistance is futile...

When a firm such as Volvo funds such a report how much credence can we honestly have? And CO 2 is still being promoted as the worst kind of pollutant when it's essential to all life on the planet. But for balance here is an another expert, and an excerpt from his recent report. Gautam Kalghatgi is a fellow of the Royal Academy of Engineering, the Institute of Mechanical Engineers and the Society of Automotive Engineers. He has been a visiting professor at Oxford Uni- versity, Imperial College, Sheffield University, KTH Stockholm and TU Eindhoven. He has 39 years of experience in combustion, fuels, engine and energy research; 31 years with Shell and 8 years with Saudi Aramco. "Battery electric vehicles (BEVs) are not zero emission. Battery manufacture is both energy intensive and greenhouse gas inten- sive. On a lifecycle basis, including vehicle manufacture, use and disposal, BEVs with large batteries could have worse emissions than comparable conventional vehicles, although smaller BEVs in areas with low-carbon electricity supplies will have lower but non-zero emissions than comparable conventional cars. • The very serious health issues associated with mining for met- als are simply exported away from where the BEV is used. Particu- late emissions can be almost eliminated in modern engines. That being the case, tyre wear will soon become the dominant source of particulates, and will be much higher for BEVs because of their greater weight. • Even if BEV numbers in the UK increase to ten million by 2030, when the proposed ban on the sale of new cars with internal combustion engines (ICEs) comes into force, around 80% of all transport and 70% of cars and vans will still run on fossil fuels. The ban will simply exclude UK customers from access to any further improvements in ICE technology. If enough people do not buy BEVs because of high up-front costs and charging anxiety, the UK automotive industry will be destroyed."

Do we really care about environment that much though? I think it's just running costs for most people. Purely environmentally speaking, EVs are worse for the planet overall due to batteries. Not to mention, cars contribute by only ~5% of the world's C02, so emissions and this EV/Hybrid hype makes very little difference to the planet.. I suppose for the people making these decisions it's easier to target this than targeting industrial sector which is the biggest contributor to pollution.

+1 on the baby wipes, worked well.

Apologies a bit of a ramble : My post was in response to a scenario on vehicles and cyclists .The Highway code states that those road users who can do the greatest harm have the greatest responsibility to reduce the danger or threat they may pose to others - the dreaded ' hierarchy '. I'm not sure how many motorists have been killed by cyclists for example. Your quote is indeed correct in relation to cyclists and pedestrians where the onus is on cyclists (the thread has wondered all over the place). As pedestrians we've all seen some idiot cycling as well. Clearly the hierarchy doesn't dissolve responsibility on cyclists in relation to all road users (including vehicles) and the HC specifically says that (backed up by several laws). We should all respect each other and I can honestly say that 99% of the time this happens. I often thank drivers for their patience, I let them pass on narrow roads when its safe for me to pull in, I acknowledge them, I make eye contact if I can and this is almost always reciprocated. Its the 1% that can mean the difference between life and death for a cyclist, the suicidal close pass, the door opening, the car pulling out without seeing you , the motorist distracted, on the phone, misted / iced up side windows, the speeding van, the school run mum who's late. That said we're all perhaps coming from different angles and experience. I don't live in a city centre, although I've cycled through many UK and European cities. I've seen the morning and evening cycling commutes in Strasbourg, Bonn, Munster, Lyon, Dusseldorf etc and its absolutely staggering in numbers. As a motorist I'm not dealing with that on a daily basis so yes I can understand the frustration of those who do when the infrastructure isn't quite up there . ps I've no idea what's happening with the layout of my post.

Imagine a ‘fox hunting’ thread. What could possibly go wrong?😆

I wouldn't worry about it. We've been locking horns since Linas decided he could turn an IS220d into an ISF and probably long before that. My guess its one (of many) of those debates best avoided for the neutral...oh yeah and the ES.

Have been following this ‘debate’ for a while now and have kept quiet. Many interesting and poignant issues have been covered. However it appears to have become a dichotomy between those that agree with linas and those that don’t! He/she does sometimes make some valid points but I also fear that he/she likes to argue for the sake of arguing and always seems to want the ‘last word’. Have always found this to be a friendly site but from experience when folk engage with him it often descends into personal slanging matches. Once that happens ‘the argument’ is lost. I am seeing this more often and it saddens me. I am not woke or unhappy to see justified criticism of our cars but did not join to see rudeness from anyone.

Would you like me to try and get hold of the LOC banners and maybe some goodies ( apparently a risk assessment will be required😀)

Here they use 2 screws for each.

Also worth a read https://epha.org/electric-vehicles-and-air-pollution-the-claims-and-the-facts/

There used to be "green arrow" signs in eastern Europe as well, basically one would be able to turn right at the red light, but that was specific rule and there was a special sign - it was not based on user discretion like here. I do agree as well that not all rules make sense and that when they are broken sometimes they may not harm anyone. However you making assumption that cyclist driving through the red "does not hurt anyone", which I don't think is objective at all. Going back to my point - even if they don't kill people literally, then at very lest they annoy drivers around them by blatantly disregarding the rules and getting away with it. As Philip mentioned - sometimes "zero tolerance" or as MET calls it "total policing" is not about how small or big crime is, it is about general "rule of law", if some groups, people can get away with some crimes, then it overall encourages everyone to offend and be dismissive of the rules. In this case it is very clear that cyclists can get away with a lot, but yet they expect same respect and be treated as equal road users. You just can't have it both - either you follow all the rules, or you don't, but then you are not as respected as other users who do follow them.

Wow, wow, wow! Had a test drive of a 450h+ this afternoon and was hugely impressed. It was a f-sport with Takumi pack. Acceleration was brisk, smooth and almost silent when running in ev mode. My 25 mile test route was a mix of motorway, B roads and town centres and an overall consumption of 99mpg was indicated. The depletion of the ev battery was true to mileage covered and it was pleasing to note that when in Auto mode (ice and ev) there was noticeable replenishing recharge of the ev battery. It felt very sure footed with the suspension coping well on all surfaces. Driving position is excellent, seat was extremely comfortable and all controls within easy reach. Fit and finish feels more luxurious than the old model. The voice activation to enable various adjustments and switch on/off functions was faultless. The HUD is crystal clear and the main instrument panel gives comprehensive information to the driver. The multiple functions of the infotainment screen will need to be mastered however I am fairly certain that the important ones will quickly become second nature whilst others may rarely or never used! I think my current NX is a fantastic vehicle but this new model takes it to a much higher level and driving home after the test drive emphasised this-a 2018 NX was distinctly old school! The NX 450h+ with Premium Plus pack and sunroof which I have a provisional order for remains on schedule for a mid March delivery. The free ev charge point offer is now in progress with a site survey scheduled. Lexus are certainly on to a winner with this car and will no doubt increase market share in this sector of the market particularly if their enviable reputation for reliability can be maintained - and I have no reason to suspect otherwise.

The International Energy Agency found that hybrid cars save about the same amount of CO2 as electric cars over their lifetime. Moreover, they are already competitive with petrol cars price-wise — even without subsidies — and, crucially, they don’t have most of the electric car downsides outlined above. The International Energy Agency (IEA) estimates that if every nation achieves their ambitious targets on increasing electric car ownership, it will reduce CO2 emissions in this decade by 235 million tons. That, according to the UN Climate Panel’s standard model, will reduce global temperatures by about one ten-thousandth of a degree Celsius (0.0001c) by the end of the century. Full article link below https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10483317/Are-electric-cars-new-diesel-scandal-Expert-looks-future-road-travel.html

No sorry, does not sound like the seat belt alarm but similar. If you have no warning lights best thing is take it back. Hope it is something simple.

We are in violent agreement Colin, in the triangular metaphor for life I represent the foundational layer like most people. All I am asking/seeking /foi - ing/attempting to discover where the true facts lie, and seeking any authors sub-agenda I believe to be part of the investigative process.

Given that electric vehicles are a green washing PR exercise until other liquid fuels can efficiently propel the internal combustion engine the question is will there be a scrapage scheme for redundant EV's in 5 to 10 years? 🤔 So "will electric cars be the new dieslegate" Yes, I fully expect so if there are still lawyers wanting to earn a living. 🤷‍♂️😉

@B1RMA 10th April 2022 mate

4 X 20mph then that's 80mph limits being introduced .. wooppeeee 😉 Malc

Interestingly, both light up when you put the car in reverse. You don't really notice the cornering lights when in a lit area, however they are useful in dark areas. Also, they only work under a certain speed (I think below 30mph).

Both. It can run like the standard 350h or there's an option to use the engine to charge the battery but I would advise against that as that is the least economic thing to do.

I do hope that’s not a euphemism, John.

Russ hi ....... DO use her lots and lots and ENJOY DON'T sit back and see her just sitting there lounging around waiting to be used more fully every day ENJOY her to the fullest you are able Malc

Another point is that you are helping a little the environment and your conscience especially in built up areas.

Yes, I place it on the dashboard with the car facing South on the Driveway. Instruction leaflet should accompany the purchase.

6. I think if you pull the headlight stalk back (as though flashing) after switching off and before opening door - lights remain on for about 30 seconds.

Indeed. Below is the cycling layout outside the ferry terminal at the The Hook of Holland as you probably know. This is the route cyclists mainly take when arriving in Harwich, UK. and the 'safe route' for cyclists heading towards Colchester / London The route to Arnhem, Netherlands

That's brill guys, Please find below a link to the Japfest website that goes through some T/C's and some understanding of the process. I've sent off an application for a club code. Just waiting to hear back https://www.fastcar.co.uk/japfest-silverstone/js-club-tickets/

It would have most likely have been a superb car. I understand the concern about sitting around as that's the conceived wisdom but it really does come down to quality of engineering, and servicing. They aren't tinpot cars where everything goes brittle and rubbish just because it's unused. I can only give you my experience, 2007 IS250, 36k on the clock when bought, bought in 2019. Not a single thing does not work or has failed on the car. It has never had an advisory in its life. I've changed some rear brakes and that is it as thankfully it had new tyres when I got it. It's an experience of one so take it for what it is but if they've ran it on fresh oil I don't see anything to fear in low mileage 250s so if anyone finds another snap it up pending inspection. Not gonna be many left of that ilk. Mine is showing some slight kerbing and bubbling on the alloys, typical Toyota product there. So that isn't about mileage, just pot luck and age.

Great work and thanks for pictures! One thing to note - you had some never to work with airbag without disconnecting the battery, I would certainly advise to disconnect it and wait at least 90s, before working on anything electrical... and even more - around the airbags.

Once you are used to the smoothness of a CVT box you don't miss a "normal" box. Fair enough if that is what you want but I would rather waft along in a Lexus than possibly be stuck - broken down at the side of the road in a BMW after driving it enthusiastically. 😉😁

Cruise Control Stalk from Amayama shipped 26th Jan arrived yesterday 9th Feb. Fitted today took about 25mins as i did NOT disconnect 12v battery. So i took my time trying to figure out what i needed to do to get access to the cruise control. Tip: it helps to turn steering wheel 180 degrees then you can easily see the 3 spring mechanism 🙃 Remove the stalk control cover using trim removal tool. On Driver side there is just one spring mechanise that needs to be pushed. This time on passenger side again remove steering wheel cover using trim removal tool. There are 2 spring mechanism on the passenger side. Centre unit pops out, carefully lift to one side Broken cruise control unit has 2 screws and a connector. once swapped over simply push the centre unit back into place Tip: The downside of not disconnecting the 12v battery meant the i had the horn blaring while i pushing it back into place 😶 The old broken cruise control 😐

I did it on the Mk3 I had.

I think most collector cars these days are ludicrously overpriced and 100% not worth their asking price, but if someone is willing to pay the money, then I can't really argue with that! Yes with $700k there are several cars you could buy and enjoy with change left over, but.... If I could afford an LFA, I would daily drive the **** out of it 😆, rock up at all my local shops and wear the scruffiest clothes I owned, listening to death metal 🤷‍♂️ only live once and I would likely never financially recover from it, but what a ride it would be!

We all know who is in command.

Ok, the price makes little bit more sense then. However, in comparison one can get whole new android unit with screen for £200-300, or GROM without screen for £500. And even looking at spec. GROM isn't really that impressive - same as cheap chinese android units it comes with mediocre processor, memory and obsolete android version. In fact looking at some chinese units, they are even better in terms of spec. like having 4GB ram and 64GB storage vs. GROM 3GB and 16GB... even later android versions like Android 10 vs. GROM Android 8. Obviously all these specs needs to be taken with grain of salt, because when chinese say android 10, then it is most likely going to be their custom rom which is not supported by google/play store so perhaps one gets similar utility from older android on GROM. And when they say 4GB/64GB of memory, then again it may be cheapest and slowest memory they could get. In either case GROM isn't some sort of high end product neither.

Thought I would post pics. of my car This 3l is my daily driver/golf locker; just coming up to 70,000 miles. Love it but I don't know how long I'll be able to get in & out of it!

Known as 'cornering lamps' they are instead of adaptive headlights, I think.