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I thought it was only the UK that came to a standstill with a millimetre of snow!

That is AWD GS, no ES in Russia.

Totally agree @peachy Final post I make on this thread but @doog442 your IS200t is far superior and faster than the 250. Happy now? 😀

Since when did value = quality? A work colleague bought a £25k new BMW last year and after 6 months of going back and forth to the dealers, BMW agreed to take the car back because they couldn't figure out how to fix the problem. If the IS250 does appear in 'shed of the week' then it is good luck for potential owners who can now pick up a great car for a bargain price.

@Linas.P it's not worth responding to his posts. Anybody can see he's just out to cause trouble. I had an intimidating personal message from this guy.

I think it is much more likely that IS-F will feature in future classics magazine rather than "shed of the week", though it is even worse for IS200t as it won't future in either - you see to at least feature in "shed of the week" car must be good value for money, which IS200t isn't and never going to be.

Are you just arguing for the sake of argument? What I said is that Lexus does cover whole range, just not in UK - the list in US is sufficient in my opinion. Yes Lexus does not offer diesels, but with current trend that is not an issue - 300h more than covers the needs of average diesel driver. Obviously, hybrid is not as good on motorways especially in EU where in most countries permitted speed is 90MPH+, but it more then covers UK with outdated 70MPH limit... What 300h loses on motorway it more then covers in the city... so whole German diesel range is covered by one car... if it would be PHEV obviously additional tax benefits etc. would be even more attractive. Now in US Lexus still have Turbo/200t which is ok for entry model kind of equivalent to BMW 318 and 320, I don't even understand what is the purpose of this minute distinction in BMW range, then they had IS250 which again pretty much covered BMW 325, 328 including "xi" as Lexus offers "awd", then there is rather bland IS300, which sits in between BMW328 and 330 and finally IS350 which is covering between BMW330 and 340. For me that is pretty much whole range covered anything I am missing? I cannot agree with second part either. IS200 and 300 were nice cars, but rather outdated in the design (engines pretty much from 80's). The cars were directly replaced by IS250 and IS350, which both were brilliant updates in any measurable way. For example IS250 was both more economical and much more powerful than IS200, much better equipped standard e.g. 13 speaker sound system, keyless entry and V6 engines were much more suited for luxury car. SE-L model was far beyond in any way then previous offering. Now I understand that maybe somebody with IS300 in UK found themselves locked similarly as I am now, but that is because Lexus replaced it with IS350, which they for some reason haven't introduced here. Even comparing IS300 vs IS250 the difference is no huge, I understand that IS300 is much lighter and being more powerful and easily modifiable it was potentially faster, though stock figures stands as 8.2s vs 8.1s (IS200 was 11.2s). Again times 0-60 doesn't mean much, but mk2 was a significant upgrade over mk1. Now you might say ... but what about IS220d, was it not meant to replace IS200... not it was desperate move only in EU to chip into German pie, which was not very successful and it was not replacement for IS200 either, because it was priced below sort of CT of the day. IS220d aside mk2 had completely new modern engine designed almost specifically for these cars, the equipment was much more comprehensive and what is important - almost all of it was included as standard. I am almost certain that was a move to introduce loss leader in US for the entry luxury market to push MB and BMW out (similarly as they did with LS back in 90's pushing S-Class out). They actually succeeded as well, because now Lexus is second by sales in entry luxury segment ahead of BMW in US, mk3 for them is time to relax a bit and recoup the lack of profit for mk2.

Very little to do with the size of car, the transmission and the driven wheels and very much to do with the tyres. My auto RWD Merc pulls 4x4 Imprezas and Freelanders up hills because it’s got the right tyres on it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It’s 100% down to the wrong tyres. You can’t beat the laws of physics. I’ve towed 4x4s up hills in a RWD auto Merc when I’ve had winter tyres on and they’ve had summer tyres. I have no idea why cars in UK are shipped with rubber specifically for use above 7 degrees when it’s below 7 degrees for 6 months of the year. They use RWD automatic cars on ice covered roads and steep inclines in Scandinavia and Canada. Buy a second set of rims and winter tyres. It’ll save you money and you wont get stuck. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I won't bore people on here to much as I've mentioned it a number of times before, but having worked as a tyre development driver for Michelin on performance fast road use of Summer and Winter tyres covering huge mileages in an assortment of vehicles, I'm a great advocate for winters and summers and trust me the benefits are huge. Buy yourself some steels or used alloys for the winters, who cares about aesthetics it's safety that's paramount You extend the life of both types by 50% if you store them correctly Winters are superior in wet conditions in 7 to 10 degree temperatures and far superior under 7 degrees Braking distances in wet and greasy conditions are far better with winters Buy your winters in the summer months, it's cheaper It is in the conditions winters were designed for they are a great contribution to road safety example...... if you leave a greater distance between you and the vehicle in front and presupposing the vehicle behind you is on summers, you can extend his breaking distance by your greater ability to stop slow And manoeuvre Replace your winters when they are approaching 5 years old irrespective of tread depth, in any event they do not function as well below 5mm All of us on here know how expensive it is to buy and run our Lexus vehicles irrespective of their age makes sense to me to go that one step further, after all the tyre is our only contact with the road surface........ and it's about the size of the palm of your hand. Big Rat

I had to rob a replacement out of my mate's IS-F when he wasn't looking :)

Yes, not a great sign. I would like to think most of us are on top of tyre wear on a 400+ bhp car. Only excuse I guess would be the the IS-F is a devil for wearing the inside edges on the front tyres.

I've just come back from collecting my son from hospital in 6-8 inches of snow. no issues and was very enjoyable in fact with winter tyres fitted. it was great moving around abandoned cars on the road. I felt safe and being a responsible driver getting my family home

All pails into significance to the cost of my E61 M5 14months ownership full Bmw service history sub 30k mikes £13.5 in repairs, you've gotta love a warranty 😇 Big Rat

Hi all. Flytvr i agree but the XK i never stopped opening my wallet the thing was eating money like no tomorrow. I had 2 previous Jaguars and they were not like that still had one once would not have one again have now turned to the oriental side 65mike.

Well guys as you may be aware there is now a lot of snow around and I can confirm that RX 450h f sport on winter tyres is absolutely fantastic. i had to collect my son from hospital this morning after his over night operation, so it was an essential test of the car. we overtook many abandoned cars on route and even managed a 40% gradient climb up a local hill. 8 inch's of snow where we are and the car never missed a beat, it felt firmly planted to the road. it was an essential trip so as far as I'm concerned well worth the investment as now know I can believe all the hype about these tyres. It was well worth it.👍🏻

Fairly snowy here. The Mrs woke me up saying "it's at least two inches". Not the first time I've heard that particular comment!

@Linas.P I watched again and saw that which confirms it, so you don’t have to change your car to an isF you could mod yours like this....... Big Rat

@Linas.P Well Linas you win well done just found it on there website, now I’ve just got find a way to get your prize to you before it melts ! Big Rat

Likewise On this note, I'll leave the thread.. we appear to be stuck between a rock and a hard place as clearly we all want the same thing... Back to the IS200t forum

Whilst I like the RC300h, the current prices means they are just not a viable option. Firstly, there is no reason not to pick a £35k RCF over a £30k RC300H. The former is so much more car for little extra money. I know all RC300H's are relatively new but they should be around the IS300h F sport £15k used prices to be in someones short list. M4s are approx £30k these days and still depreciating. Its no wonder why these cars are not selling.

Another important variable in answer to that is 'drivers experience', in some situations with RWD's it is only the experience which makes the biggest difference & in scandinavia & canada they got plenty of that.

Actually Phil, this is where real experience counts, it might seem that way with big rwd cars but with a full covering of snow and indeed in blizzard conditions I ran my old LS430 up over the infamous A939 in the Cairngorms several times with Wdrive Yokohama tyres and it was better than the RX300 on all season tyres. With the same tyres, the RX pulled a Passat out of a ditch in deep snow but I felt safer in the LS430 up and down the steep twisty bits because the winter tyres provide better traction laterally and for braking. To give you an idea of how much difference the tyres make, from a standing start on a hill, the LS ploughed through 10 inches of deep fresh snow. Thank goodness for the high setting on the air suspension. The RX came with all season tyres but as I rely on my own transport for work, I switch between Summer and Winter tyres. I just drove back from Oxford today on Hankook Winters without any issues, while some were struggling.

I'd trade it in for that

Really? How come Scandinavians and Canadians drive them without much trouble in a hell of a lot worse conditions than we get here? Have you ever driven one with winter tyres? I've never, ever found a car that didn't handle perfectly with winter tyres front wheel drive A3 auto, RWD Merc autos, various 4x4s all capable of starting in thick, untreated snow on a hill without even a hint of wheelspin.

Two years next month, a fuse in the glovebox and that was my fault 39p 😳 🐀

Owned for 18 months and has cost me nothing other than servicing. I've put 8k on it.

Go careful changing the cabin pollen filter if you get one as you need to have the vent flap in the correct posistion before trying to move it manually or it will break. Not really the weather for ragtops today, more like toboggans!!!! paul m.

I live in Buckinghamshire, it's known as the palm County. Very mild compared to the weather you are having.... 🤔

That one above would definitely get Lexus extended warranty if would get it. Whereas it probably makes no sense for say IS250 or better IS-F (e.g. extended warranty for one at £16k and 48k miles it is kind of waste of money), but for this one with little bit suspicious service history it seems like no brainer £895 for 2 year piece of mind and it just about makes it 10year/140000miles limit, so it is literally at the best time to be covered with extended cover. I think... many would want to... but how many you would trust not make it worse is another question...

That's performance cars for you. Don't get me wrong, on a reliability basis I'd pick an IS-F over any of its competitors. However, anyone thinking of getting into ownership has to remember that the IS-F (like many cars) was a very expensive car to buy from new, so if something does go wrong........

18 months of ownership cost me £75 in repairs outside of warranty, If I hadn't had a warranty that would would have been £3575! Yep, to run one out of warranty, you are either - 1.Loaded 2. Very confident from a technical perspective 3. Have a s strong sense of faith 4. Mad

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Martin As both of these candidates are dealer sales I would ask them if they would mind if you could take them to a Lexus dealer for a pre -purchase check. If they have nothing to hide they may agree after all they would agree to a AA or Rac pre -check. Although Lexus will bring up every conceivable fault to protect thier reputation and exploit service income you are only looking for serious faults that are not known to the dealer . If Lexus find consumables may need replacing soon (Brake pads etc). you will have to agree with the seller these are not included in the pre-purchase inspection results. It is only serious onerous faults of the like one of our members as just experienced on a recent purchase of a 430. When I bought my Mark 1 way back in the 90s the car went straight into Lexus where the front brake calipers turned out needing replacement the car carried a 12 month warranty so that was taken care of as were a couple of other things later on but that car was 5 years old and a warranty was available ,on these two candidates it is unlikely.

@Warrington guy Dave what’s that one then 13.5 tog 😂 🐀

Hard to believe but no snow up north. Tucked up in bed

Ive always said light colours show the lines and groves of each panel better than dark colours. I wasnt a fan of silver till i actually saw it.. i also hated grey.. now i have both GS in grey and IS in silver lol.

It’s just raining on the South Coast.... no empty, snowy car parks for me :-(

Based on what the sellers say & if I were on the lookout for one I would go look at either of these 2, cant 'see' anything against either seller, which, when/if I am on 'the buy' is an asesment judgment I always make prior to going to look. Both cars appear to be well worth looking at but I do not like it when a reg number is blacked because I cannot check the MOT history.

I take it there's no interesting conversation happing on the 200t section then or is because nobody else owns/wants one? 😅

Get the ISF Linas...go on son It would absolutely change the dynamic of this place...and your constant moaning about performance Fair play for sticking with the Marque when you could go N54 (that could keep up with F - for half the price)..my next will hopefully be the RCF once it drops to mid 20's and then we can be F buddies..

I’ll also add that silver looks so much better in the flesh.

Hey there and welcome to the forum. So you've had Lexus for years and only just signed up here, shame on you ;) What Lexus did you own before, spill the beans...

And no annoying turbo lag with the barge either @peachy and drone like sounding engine. The 250 has a delightful sounding V6 engine that sings.

I'm a massive fan of winter tyres and living in a hilly part of the midlands I see them as essential in colder months. I leave early and come back late at the coldest times of the day and the temps are often 7 or below, however I use them on my LS400 but my wife with her RX450h is not interested in the perceived expense or hassle of swapping her wheels. I love the way the LS stops on snow/ice, it is more efficient/safe than anything on summer tyres. However, even in the worst of the snow/ice the RX has never got stuck and I have deliberately taken it out to test it alongside the winter tyred LS to see if I could get it stuck! I store my other wheels free of charge at my local tyre garage and they swap them over for nothing and in return I buy my tyres from them. I do love winter tyres and if I ran an RX myself I would think about getting them but not sure I would be anywhere near as bothered as I am about the LS in seeing them as a 'must have'. As rayanns said, extra care and attention combined with 4WD might do the trick for most but equally I would not blame anyone for going down the winter tyre route as circumstances may dictate this is the best course of action for you.

Just an update really, winter tyres fitted at Lexus whilst having its 10K service, Yokohama W drive. lexus will store original tyres and swop over for free for the first year then £100 each year, or I'll have them back and store myself once I find some other rims at a competitive price.

We haven’t done the maths around the fact most of the population uses their cars primarily during the rush hours, not mid afternoon when its warmest. So I’d wager the average temp, during the average commute, is well under 7 degrees for 6 months of the year (I think) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

All seasons will be just as good in summer as summer rubber unless you’re pushing on. Same in winter with the exception of extreme weather when they’ll be obviously poor. Running 2 sets of wheels can be cheaper than running summer rubber all year with only 1 set. 2nd hand OEM wheels don’t depreciate much at all. Buy them for £300 and sell them for £250-300 if you change cars. Winter rubber is generally cheaper than summer especially if you can go down sizes. 20” summer Tyres for my Touareg were over £200. I bought brand new OEM 17” winters for £300 a set and premium tyres were half the price of 20” summers. Replacement set of 20” summer rubber = £800. 17” wheels and 4 winter tyres = £700 but you’ll have a set of wheels which will always be worth £250 so true cost is £450. I had the Touareg for 2 years, did 22k. Spent £700 on winter rubber and rims. Summer rims stayed pristine. Summer tyres still had 6mm tread on when I handed it back. I’ve got a set of winter wheels and tyres to sell which will easily get £500. If I didn’t run winters I’d have had to replace at least 2 summer tyres for £400 before handing it back. So I’d have been £400 down if I didn’t use winter wheels and tyres. I’m probably down £200 as I can easily get £500 for the part worn winters with rims. I’d have to sell the winter rims and tyres for under £300 to be out of pocket. So I only had the car for 2 years, saved a good £200, didn’t have to worry or think twice about going out in the worst weather Scotland could throw at me, kept my summer rims pristine, had a much safer car for my wife and kids and vastly reduced the risk of winter potholes damaging my wheels. Not to mention the amount of fun I had playing in the snow. Why on earth would I consider putting on expensive all seasons and costing myself even more money than just sticking with summer would have cost. All the RX’s have the same wheel figment so you could have bought at 17” set from a S1RX when you bought the first one, saved a fair chunk of cash, had more fun, been safer with less chance of getting stuck. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Sorry Rayaans I think it is bad advice to sat winter tyres arent worth it. The evidence available strongly suggests otherwise and for safety and peace of mind may be worth it. However on my gen1&2 RX300s summer tyres fared rather well in snow on even steep hills and as I typically drive miss daisy I dont worry too much about low temperature stopping distance improvements (possibly foolish I know) Having said that my gen1 GS300 and CT200H were useless on snow with summer tyres and my wife had to tow me into our estate on a moderate hill with her Honda CRV on summer tyres, which she never tires of reminding me. Never got to try snow with the IS300H but I suspect this would have been equally as bad given the big fat low profile rear tyres. Video clips on Youtube indicate that winter tyres on a FWD or RWD vehicle would do much better than summer ones on a 4WD in snow and stopping distances are massively improved. In fact if I could afford another set of OEM FSport wheels with winter tyres I might consider it Just my two penneth

I drove to work in Livingston today from Dunfermline. A fair bit of snow at home, but a LOT more in Livingston and the roads were pretty much untreated (disgraceful really). I had to turn a sharp bend and up a hill in thick untouched snow just to park up at work and I was nervous at the thought of it. I needn't have worried. Pushed the "snow" button and with the winter tyres I sailed up the hill and in to my parking space easily. No wheel spin or sliding around at all. It was just like driving on tarmac to be honest. The car handled brilliantly and its given me a lot more confidence now for the winter. Many of my colleagues were late today as they struggled to stay on the road - the very same colleagues who laughed at me for having a rear-wheel drive automatic.